gnipper 6,543 Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Are the people who breed for the working terrier shows not already f***ing them up? We've all seen them I'm sure, the kind who have a terrier for every single class and not one of them look like they've ever been dirty never mind worked. They've been at it for years and lads already have to sort the wheat from the chaff when looking for a pup so I doubt kc recognition would make much difference. 8 Quote Link to post
the_stig 6,614 Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 (edited) don't think it will be long before the pat is kc registered, ive been working in Sheffield. one of the big posh houses near the job a fat woman breeds pats, she must have 7 or 8 in very posh kennels. I was talking to her when she was walking a few of them. not a thing she didn't no about the breed. all the names bray buck ect. £450 a pup when she breeds and theres a waiting list. just like to add, theres plenty of people with them in that area and every one looks perfect. does she graft em ----- not likely. not even the odd squirrel in the park, they might get dirty. no doubt they`ll be getting ready for the new breed getting kc reg ------------------ same happened with the russell none russell people jumped on the bandwagon and had bred litters ready to register ... Edited February 2, 2014 by the_stig Quote Link to post
Squirrel_Basher 17,100 Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Good luck standardising black terriers lol 1 Quote Link to post
shovel leaner 7,650 Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 I wonder who will be the 1st traitor/terrierman to register his i remember being at a russell club meeting one member a well known russell and hunt terrierman gave a long speech on how the kc would be the ruination of the russell and how we should avoid it like the plague and how we should try and stop it ----- years later having missed the boat re kc reg he started his own russell club presented records and pedigrees and via the irish kc joined up for the money------ his pups went up from 200 to 500 overnight. thing is theres nothing to stop the show mob showing at kc shows or working terrier shows -------- will it be the ruination of the working patt no they`ll just be 2 types show and work so nothing changes other than some shit types about and some people getting rich off the back off it .. If you look at the springer and cockers , show and work , they are as different as chalk and cheese .I can see a time when the breed does get recognised by the K C , but proper digging lads will avoid show blood and breed worker to worker . What you will end up with is two types , show and work .The trouble is £££££ . Even respected breeders of woking dogs start to see earning potential , that is when substandard pups are born , money is the root of all evil !! 3 Quote Link to post
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 In all honesty, if you're in the working dog game does it make a scrap of difference if the dog is KC recognised? If you're in it for the money, then congratulations! If you're not then it changes absolutely nothing. 4 Quote Link to post
gasman 53 Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 (edited) I blame the chocolates !! it will all be about £££££££££££££ssssssssssss when the kc breeders jump on ...After reading this thread I had a look on epupz to see what terriers were going for, and the first advert was some jock selling D S cross Cyril Breay pups for 400 a pup. Think what he will get once they are KC reg. Edited February 4, 2014 by gasman Quote Link to post
neil cooney 10,416 Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 30 years ago there was concerns that the working lines would be lost forever due to those that chased the ribbon, sought fame, stole dogs, peddled and anti's. Here we are today and there's as good a worker (if not better) than ever. Big deal, let the pretenders in their little minds tell themselves they have the best. In saying that, I can understand how annoyed someone who has striven for a good line of working terrier through hard work only to see a "new comer " who's read all the books, believed all the bullshit and bred all their bitches make a fortune over night. Like most of life, it's just not fair. Who's right ?? The con man with a big bank account and loads of punters (who'll never even try their expensive purchase , but it's a Gr Gr Gr Gr Gr Gr grandson of Mr Breays Kipper, so it has to be good ) or the lad who get's them out there every chance he gets, tries them, tests them and breeds of them every now and again and keeps them amongst himself and his hunting mates ? I fall into the second category, and I haven't a pot to piss in, LOL. 10 Quote Link to post
Bosun11 537 Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Bloody good post Neil and your right about lines being lost and KC registration 30 years ago. I think Plummer even mentioned it. So, some lines will go to the wall but then again, those ones have already gone and many, like yours, are still sound with people who will always put work first and foremost... Glass half full I recon... Quote Link to post
neil cooney 10,416 Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Bosun, I'm fond of a drink so I'll say that glass is half empty, LOL. 2 Quote Link to post
Glyn..... 5,208 Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 when it happens it will be like the parsons a few big gobs will mate up the blacks with kc lakies or welsh hang papers.. oh dear and all them rough looking undershoot long backed and poor coated dogs will still be getting dirty 4 Quote Link to post
loafer 47 Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 If or when they register The Patterdale the working type could then revert back to being called Fells, now there,s just a thought. Quote Link to post
Cleanspade 3,324 Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 its interesting that a lot of folk blame the KC. ITS THE BREEDERS THAT ASK TO BE REGISTERED. the KC dont breed dogs. breed clubs apply. are there any patterdale breed clubs in the uk that have applied. ?. to be honest i agree with the lads that say it wont affect working dogs as no working patt lad would get involved with this sort of thing. as long as there are real dogmen there will be real dogs. 3 Quote Link to post
Bosun11 537 Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 its interesting that a lot of folk blame the KC. ITS THE BREEDERS THAT ASK TO BE REGISTERED. the KC dont breed dogs. breed clubs apply. are there any patterdale breed clubs in the uk that have applied. ?. to be honest i agree with the lads that say it wont affect working dogs as no working patt lad would get involved with this sort of thing. as long as there are real dogmen there will be real dogs. Cleanspade, your dead right.... But if the KC didn't exist then there would be no-one for breeders to register dogs to and form would always follow function..! Oh, that perfect world... Quote Link to post
CorkyJohn 808 Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 The KC lot will have no effect on the working side as they'll be advertised as such to make silly money. Its the 'working bred' peddlars who have & always will look to make money from fabricated pedigrees & pups bred from culls. Stick to what lines you know & trust.....it can't get any worse than it already is Quote Link to post
the_stig 6,614 Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 . Stick to what lines you know & trust.... your own --------------------avoid short cuts work and test your own breed from them be honest to yourself and you`ll get a lifetime out of your own gear without ever having to buy in Quote Link to post
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