gnasher16 30,121 Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 its a perfectly acceptable tactic ,and can make for an interesting exciting spectacle in its own right, Be honest Stan...have you ever seen an exciting game that is a basic training exercise of attack against defence ?......Its like 2 fighters where 1 just wants to survive and is not actively trying to win.....its a non event.........i dont find acceptable at all it defeats the object of what competetive sport essentially is.....but thats just my opinion like 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 This is funny....going up and then defending it out are what the Italians are famous for. It's only not good to watch when you know your the underdog and it's only a matter of time before you concede a goal. We all want to see fast attacking football played, mixed with skill and plenty goals but sometimes you have to shut up shop and hope you defend to the highest ability and maybe just maybe you can sneak away on the break. Playing Barca all the fecking time learns you this... Lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Astanley 11,568 Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 I v seen lots of them Gnash , during the70s and 80s most teams came to Anfield for a draw ,the onus is on the attacking team to break them down ,relentless waves of attack ,countered by last ditch blocks and tackles and great saves , the clock running down ,I find it exciting , maybe I,m easily pleased Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,042 Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 (edited) Scoring and then shutting up shop with 30 minutes to go is a tactic, keeping the ball is a tactic, trying to play & keeping it tight then hitting teams on the break is a tactic........... 10 men behind the ball and not playing is desperation. What does it put into a players head when your own manager who bought you don't think your good enough to stand a chance?..........not exactly the Tim Collins eve of battle speech is it !!! ............more like Joan Collins ! Lol Jmho Edited January 30, 2014 by WILF Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,121 Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 (edited) I v seen lots of them Gnash , during the70s and 80s most teams came to Anfield for a draw ,the onus is on the attacking team to break them down ,relentless waves of attack ,countered by last ditch blocks and tackles and great saves , the clock running down ,I find it exciting , maybe I,m easily pleased Thats an interesting point......being that was when it was 2 points for a win as well............cant say as i ever remember a time before now that West Ham have gone out with absolutely no intention of winning the game......maybe im being naive i just dont remember us doing that before. Im no tactical genius having never played the game properly but ive asked a few folk who have played at a good level and i still cant get a straight answer i wonder if any of you chaps who have played can throw any light on it...........when a team is defending a corner for example with 11 men behind the ball.......why do they not send a couple of players up into the centre circle ?.......no side is going to leave even 1 player up the pitch unmarked infact i remember a time when the attacking team would always leave 2 defenders back covering one attacker......it dont seem to happen no more and i cant work out why..... Last night we were defending corners with 10 men across the 6 yard box !!.......Its not even as though we was doing that zonal marking caper we was going man for man.......so why not send a few players up the pitch ? Edited January 30, 2014 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 (edited) OH YAY OH YAH OH YAH ( in the style of a 19th century cryer ) As we got twated am avoiding football threds for the for seeable furture. Edited January 30, 2014 by gonetoearth Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RubyTex 1,957 Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 Allardyces comment after the game was funny though...."I couldn't give a shite" lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,042 Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 I v seen lots of them Gnash , during the70s and 80s most teams came to Anfield for a draw ,the onus is on the attacking team to break them down ,relentless waves of attack ,countered by last ditch blocks and tackles and great saves , the clock running down ,I find it exciting , maybe I,m easily pleased Thats an interesting point......being that was when it was 2 points for a win as well............cant say as i ever remember a time before now that West Ham have gone out with absolutely no intention of winning the game......maybe im being naive i just dont remember us doing that before. Im no tactical genius having never played the game properly but ive asked a few folk who have played at a good level and i still cant get a straight answer i wonder if any of you chaps who have played can throw any light on it...........when a team is defending a corner for example with 11 men behind the ball.......why do they not send a couple of players up into the centre circle ?.......no side is going to leave even 1 player up the pitch unmarked infact i remember a time when the attacking team would always leave 2 defenders back covering one attacker......it dont seem to happen no more and i cant work out why..... Last night we were defending corners with 10 men across the 6 yard box !!.......Its not even as though we was doing that zonal marking caper we was going man for man.......so why not send a few players up the pitch ? Mate, you may not have played but your spot on, play like that is nonsense. I can get my head round leaving an attacker up on the half way and another attacking player in the dead ground around the box to close down or pick up anything that drops loose.......this would make the other team have to leave 4 back to cover any breaks. Personally I can't fathom anyone who competes at any sport not giving there all to win...........competitive sports that involve one man pitting themselves directly against another is one of the only ways you get to be a warrior and show your warrior spirit. I think the japs call it Bushido.......any sportsman who don't go into the arena to go to war with a do or die attitude, without the belief or desire to master their opponent should not be out there IMHO Any manager who dose not try to instill that desire and belief do t have the right to call themselves a team leader either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bracken boy 584 Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 We all like to see attacking football but a point at chelsea is a result for many teams plus its a 38 game season and how inportant is that point going to be at the seasons final few games. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
clipo 871 Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 look at Southampton as they are a "small" club like west ham but getting some cracking results while on a tight budget!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baw 4,360 Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 I v seen lots of them Gnash , during the70s and 80s most teams came to Anfield for a draw ,the onus is on the attacking team to break them down ,relentless waves of attack ,countered by last ditch blocks and tackles and great saves , the clock running down ,I find it exciting , maybe I,m easily pleased It happens against Celtic and rangers week in week out. I don't think they are playing for a draw, more damage limitation funny thing is, when the odd occasion they do try, they do alright but get the jitters 20 mins to go and defend deep. Celtics famous for winning games in the dying minutes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baw 4,360 Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 I v seen lots of them Gnash , during the70s and 80s most teams came to Anfield for a draw ,the onus is on the attacking team to break them down ,relentless waves of attack ,countered by last ditch blocks and tackles and great saves , the clock running down ,I find it exciting , maybe I,m easily pleased Thats an interesting point......being that was when it was 2 points for a win as well............cant say as i ever remember a time before now that West Ham have gone out with absolutely no intention of winning the game......maybe im being naive i just dont remember us doing that before. Im no tactical genius having never played the game properly but ive asked a few folk who have played at a good level and i still cant get a straight answer i wonder if any of you chaps who have played can throw any light on it...........when a team is defending a corner for example with 11 men behind the ball.......why do they not send a couple of players up into the centre circle ?.......no side is going to leave even 1 player up the pitch unmarked infact i remember a time when the attacking team would always leave 2 defenders back covering one attacker......it dont seem to happen no more and i cant work out why..... Last night we were defending corners with 10 men across the 6 yard box !!.......Its not even as though we was doing that zonal marking caper we was going man for man.......so why not send a few players up the pitch ? I'm sure morinhio left 3 up at the half way line at opposing corners when he first came. What I don't understand is why teams put up a wall for free kicks 25 yards out etc. we know players like beckham use the wall to curve it, so why bother? All the wall does is block the keepers view of the ball and give him false security that, that side of the goal is covered. Unlike a penalty, at 25 yards out, he's going to have time to react to the shot and if the opposition build a wall, leave a few players on the half way line. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,121 Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 We all like to see attacking football but a point at chelsea is a result for many teams plus its a 38 game season and how inportant is that point going to be at the seasons final few games. Thats easy for you to say you aint gotta watch it every week Its not a case of wanting to see attacking football but you do expect a team of highly paid professional footballers to compete !......Mourinho is right its a terrible advert for the Premier League being the best league in the world.......Its all well and good people saying West Ham are only a small club,but compared to who ?.....Compared to Man Utd,Arsenal,Liverpool yes.......compared to Doncaster or Leyton Orient we are a massive club !!......I went down the Orient the other week ok the football wasnt on the same level but it was thoroughly entertaining......as fans are we not entitled to be entertained for our money ?........I had this conversation the other day,what is it we expect as fans ?????......What is the ultimate goal for us fans of mediocre teams ???.....year to year we dont expect to win anything,we dont demand trophies,we dont get all angry when we lose more than we win...........but we do expect 11 players to TRY to win football matches......what will be our reward for staying up,another season of watching the worst most depressing gutless football we,ve ever seen at Upton park,we didnt play like this in the Championship.......so our reward as fans is that we get to watch our club NOT compete against the greatest players in the world.............the ultimate goal in competing at the highest level of sport is that you get a chance to test yourself against the best......we are not testing ourself because we are not trying to test ourself we are just trying to stay alive by laying down in front of our opponent.......and regardless what sport it is that can never be respected. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,121 Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Start to maybe take a long distance interest in Sunderland AFC Gnash Poyet building a team to play the right way. nah.......im not a glory hunter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Start to maybe take a long distance interest in Sunderland AFC Gnash Poyet building a team to play the right way. nah.......im not a glory hunter . Ha ha Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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