Before The Saluki

[steve2507 522]

Many moons ago a bull/grey called zcarina .

[neil cooney 10,416]

Czarina was the bitch with the fighting dog blood in her that was used to improve the greyhound, not the lurcher. Down from her came Fullerton , which is claimed, every greyhound alive today is descended from.

IMO here in Ireland before the Saluki became popular the cross that the most successful lads used was either the hound (beagle, foxhound etc.) cross or the Irish terrier cross.

[steve2507 522]

Is a bull/grey not a lurcher ?

[Belfasthunter 12]

I'd say bull grey would be a lurcher a mixture from a terrier and a sighthound

[wirral countryman 2,110]

My mate "Barry Smith" been dead a few years now had a coursing syndicate that rented big land the other side of Southport late 50's onwards, they ran deerhound greyhound crosses, both first and second cross, he always reckoned the second cross 3/4 was the better dog on big land, in the 70's, which is when I got to know him the popular cross was deerhound/greyhound X collie/greyhound ,I never had a Saluki/greyhound cross till 1979 when they became very popular in the Northwest area, Bull crosses were only used by digging lads back then as they were to heavy and very poor feet,the better ones I ever seen were used for deer and they were English Bull not Staff, WM

[neil cooney 10,416]

Is a bull/grey not a lurcher ?

Yes but we're talking the mid 19th century when Lord Orford (I think) but a fighting dog over a greyhound to breed back into his greyhounds.

[desertbred 5,490]

Talked to quite a few old running lads from 50,s and 60,s lot used to run collie cross greyhound for big and small land then they seemed to fall out of favour in 70.s and ,s from what I have been told

[Bosun11 537]

My mate "Barry Smith" been dead a few years now had a coursing syndicate that rented big land the other side of Southport late 50's onwards, they ran deerhound greyhound crosses, both first and second cross, he always reckoned the second cross 3/4 was the better dog on big land, in the 70's, which is when I got to know him the popular cross was deerhound/greyhound X collie/greyhound ,I never had a Saluki/greyhound cross till 1979 when they became very popular in the Northwest area, Bull crosses were only used by digging lads back then as they were to heavy and very poor feet,the better ones I ever seen were used for deer and they were English Bull not Staff, WM

Funny you should mention that WM, an old boy I used to work with mentioned a syndicate round there. He bred and ran Deerhound crosses with John Nuttall of Clithero. Jimmy was a tenant on a dairy farm in Halsall, which he lost because of his coursing activity's. He always said the best of the first crosses always came out of a Deerhound dam but as you said, the 3/4 was the better on big land. He used to say that 'they' would come up to Altcar and try all sorts of crosses but none of 'em could really kill hares like their dogs. The Deerhound crosses were the only decent hare killers he'd ever seen.

He was long out of the game when I knew him, loosing a farm the family had had for a few generations sickened him I think. I remember showing him a saluki hybrid, must have been mid 80's and he looked the dog up and down and said a good Altcar hare would kill it...!

[desertbred 5,490]

 

My mate "Barry Smith" been dead a few years now had a coursing syndicate that rented big land the other side of Southport late 50's onwards, they ran deerhound greyhound crosses, both first and second cross, he always reckoned the second cross 3/4 was the better dog on big land, in the 70's, which is when I got to know him the popular cross was deerhound/greyhound X collie/greyhound ,I never had a Saluki/greyhound cross till 1979 when they became very popular in the Northwest area, Bull crosses were only used by digging lads back then as they were to heavy and very poor feet,the better ones I ever seen were used for deer and they were English Bull not Staff, WM

Funny you should mention that WM, an old boy I used to work with mentioned a syndicate round there. He bred and ran Deerhound crosses with John Nuttall of Clithero. Jimmy was a tenant on a dairy farm in Halsall, which he lost because of his coursing activity's. He always said the best of the first crosses always came out of a Deerhound dam but as you said, the 3/4 was the better on big land. He used to say that 'they' would come up to Altcar and try all sorts of crosses but none of 'em could really kill hares like their dogs. The Deerhound crosses were the only decent hare killers he'd ever seen.

He was long out of the game when I knew him, loosing a farm the family had had for a few generations sickened him I think. I remember showing him a saluki hybrid, must have been mid 80's and he looked the dog up and down and said a good Altcar hare would kill it...!

 

Plenty of good Altcar hares been killed by salukis and saluki x,s

[Bosun11 537]

 

 

My mate "Barry Smith" been dead a few years now had a coursing syndicate that rented big land the other side of Southport late 50's onwards, they ran deerhound greyhound crosses, both first and second cross, he always reckoned the second cross 3/4 was the better dog on big land, in the 70's, which is when I got to know him the popular cross was deerhound/greyhound X collie/greyhound ,I never had a Saluki/greyhound cross till 1979 when they became very popular in the Northwest area, Bull crosses were only used by digging lads back then as they were to heavy and very poor feet,the better ones I ever seen were used for deer and they were English Bull not Staff, WM

Funny you should mention that WM, an old boy I used to work with mentioned a syndicate round there. He bred and ran Deerhound crosses with John Nuttall of Clithero. Jimmy was a tenant on a dairy farm in Halsall, which he lost because of his coursing activity's. He always said the best of the first crosses always came out of a Deerhound dam but as you said, the 3/4 was the better on big land. He used to say that 'they' would come up to Altcar and try all sorts of crosses but none of 'em could really kill hares like their dogs. The Deerhound crosses were the only decent hare killers he'd ever seen.

He was long out of the game when I knew him, loosing a farm the family had had for a few generations sickened him I think. I remember showing him a saluki hybrid, must have been mid 80's and he looked the dog up and down and said a good Altcar hare would kill it...!

 

Plenty of good Altcar hares been killed by salukis and saluki x,s

 

I know that DB and the saluki is the best in the business at it too. I think you misunderstand the post, I was simply trying to point out that old Jim had 'only' ever seen other crosses on hares, with the best of 'em being his Deerhounds. He knew nothing of the desert dogs and thought my mates was in need of a damn good worm and feed...!

[desertbred 5,490]

[baw 4,360]

 

 

 

 

 

 

My mate "Barry Smith" been dead a few years now had a coursing syndicate that rented big land the other side of Southport late 50's onwards, they ran deerhound greyhound crosses, both first and second cross, he always reckoned the second cross 3/4 was the better dog on big land, in the 70's, which is when I got to know him the popular cross was deerhound/greyhound X collie/greyhound ,I never had a Saluki/greyhound cross till 1979 when they became very popular in the Northwest area, Bull crosses were only used by digging lads back then as they were to heavy and very poor feet,the better ones I ever seen were used for deer and they were English Bull not Staff, WM

Funny you should mention that WM, an old boy I used to work with mentioned a syndicate round there. He bred and ran Deerhound crosses with John Nuttall of Clithero. Jimmy was a tenant on a dairy farm in Halsall, which he lost because of his coursing activity's. He always said the best of the first crosses always came out of a Deerhound dam but as you said, the 3/4 was the better on big land. He used to say that 'they' would come up to Altcar and try all sorts of crosses but none of 'em could really kill hares like their dogs. The Deerhound crosses were the only decent hare killers he'd ever seen.

He was long out of the game when I knew him, loosing a farm the family had had for a few generations sickened him I think. I remember showing him a saluki hybrid, must have been mid 80's and he looked the dog up and down and said a good Altcar hare would kill it...!

Plenty of good Altcar hares been killed by salukis and saluki x,s

I know that DB and the saluki is the best in the business at it too. I think you misunderstand the post, I was simply trying to point out that old Jim had 'only' ever seen other crosses on hares, with the best of 'em being his Deerhounds. He knew nothing of the desert dogs and thought my mates was in need of a damn good worm and feed...!

I don't know him from Adam but I'm a good judge of character...... I like old Jim