ricky hatton

[jasper65 6]

I don't know one world champion that won a world title without gong through a period of knocking over has beens or no hopers? BRUNO did it big style as did Lewis. at the end of the day it comes down to results wins and to put it bluntly the way the wins took place to generate insterest from the public, for all out KO's wether they has beens or nobody's Tysons record takes some beating.

 

I think you listened to the comentators too much gnasher old mate when you think Bruno hurt Tyson, he caught him yes and he took a step back but Hurt Nope I don't think so!! Frank the Wank was basicaly what you've been saying all along "Another easy pay day" who shit himself crossing his chest enlessly from the time he walked into the ring .

 

All Tyson did in the peak of his region was fight guys that was put infront of him, if they was washed up as you say then is it his fault. the guy did the job that was asked of him and did it well. It certainly wasn't his fault no one could live with him when at his peak but these was the only guys available. he lost it big time in the end and yep a Bully he was! but for all out aggresion and fire power you couldn't fault him, I'm now out of this one!! playtimes now finished in the playground and I'll be late for school ...

 

You need to see this Gnasher just to remind you what this guy was a about in his peak, No heavyweight could switch punches from body to head with both hands like this guy...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvZ2roRDPYU

[gnasher16 30,217]

Lads your missing the point....i repeat...im not saying tyson was not a good fighter....but dont for one minute insult some of the true great fighters by trying to place him in any all time list !

I dont rate lennox lewis as an all time great either but with 3 stone his way he would of beat a peak tyson just as holyfield would at the same weight....if you was all dragged along on the tyson warpath then so be it...but it takes more than 2 or 3 years of knocking over fat boys to be called an all time great....what was his excuse for both holyfield fights ? ...why did he quit on most of his losses ?...

tyson had explosive power and used his small size to great effect on very average opponents....when he met a higher class of opposition he had no jab and no boxing brain....and due to the fact he had no true honest heart he was eventually seen for what he was......dress it up however you like,give all the excuses you like......no other heavyweight through history has been given the excuses he has....buster douglas mother died 2 weeks before his fight with tyson......each to their own but i remember saying to people way back in the late eighties...." see how he reacts when he has to dig deep "....and when he had to like every top fighter does sooner or later,there was nothing there,except excuses.

You think tysons the first fighter to ever have problems outside the ring ? being mentally strong is all part of being a fighter,tyson was a very weak man mentally and had very little fighting gameness...why make excuses just for him....

I must have had this conversation a hundred times over the years,normally with lads who were impressionable teens at the time tyson was at the top and got swept along with it all.....look what happened to duran after the " no mas " thing with ray leonard.....yet tyson does the same thing via an ear bite and we want to rub his belly and tell him "its alright mike you had problems "

Edited September 24, 2007 by gnasher16

[jasper65 6]

I know mate I was just having a bit of Banter with you .

 

One thing you have to admit about this guy is when he came on the seen he threw a spark into the fire when the Heavyweight division needed it most. Ali did the same but it went to pot in the mid eighties when the big boys retired and along came Tyson! I remember watching World of Sport with Dickie Davies and he introduced him as a new prospect coming through the ranks and what I saw then made me want to see more of him, I tell ya Gnash when I knew a Tyson fight was on I wouldn't miss it for anything back then, The lad even got high recognition off Smokin Joe Fraser himself when he said "I watch him and he excites me", I think at that time he did it to alot of Boxing enthusiasts!! punters would flock to see the guy and boy was he a big draw to the TV companies...

 

Its a shame a real Blaster like him wasn't fresh on the seen again now, the Heavyweight division now is a real shambles and a decent young fighter like Tyson was would clean up big time, a puncher and a real crowd puller is desperatly needed this day and age.....

[gnasher16 30,217]

I know mate I was just having a bit of Banter with you .

 

One thing you have to admit about this guy is when he came on the seen he threw a spark into the fire when the Heavyweight division needed it most. Ali did the same but it went to pot in the mid eighties when the big boys retired and along came Tyson! I remember watching World of Sport with Dickie Davies and he introduced him as a new prospect coming through the ranks and what I saw then made me want to see more of him, I tell ya Gnash when I knew a Tyson fight was on I wouldn't miss it for anything back then, The lad even got high recognition off Smokin Joe Fraser himself when he said "I watch him and he excites me", I think at that time he did it to alot of Boxing enthusiasts!! punters would flock to see the guy and boy was he a big draw to the TV companies...

 

Its a shame a real Blaster like him wasn't fresh on the seen again now, the Heavyweight division now is a real shambles and a decent young fighter like Tyson was would clean up big time, a puncher and a real crowd puller is desperatly needed this day and age.....

 

 

 

Couldnt agree more....most of us are on the edge of our seat when we know a fighter can bang....even our own nigel benn for this very same reason....it just makes me laugh when this hero worship kind of thing takes over when it comes to Tyson...he was an exciting,explosive guy who could deliver punches correctly and powerfully....but he had more flaws to his game than almost any other top heavyweight through history the main one being his lack of guts which some people saw early on in his career.....you are dead right,the division could do with someone like that now purely from the excitement point of view...then again we could always sit on the edge of our seats for another audrey harrison fight

[roybo 2,873]

gnasher ,agree with you 100% although yes i was carried away at the time with

hype of his career,only seeing later his flaws,i was told by my mates father,who incidentally is a boxing coach,just before the douglas fight ,this could be the bloke to stop him ,to everyones laughter

 

he thrived on the fear of the boxers he fought,which douglas never afforded him,

as you said he was a bully,very good one at that,but a bully none the less.

 

He could probably do well in britain right now with the stsae of boxing right now

and as for,

 

as regards to hatton,lets hope HE can dictate the tempo as mayweather is more than capable of

doing so ,it's got every chance of going either way ,but i reakon a cracker all the same

Edited September 24, 2007 by roybo

[bill88 6]

I cannot believe some of the comments about Lennox Lewis.I don't care whether he is British or Canadian,and i'm well aware that he was knocked cold by a couple of lesser ranked fighters.He was class,and would of more than held his own with some of the greats.Lennox would have dwarfed most of the great heavyweights of the 50's 60's and 70's,he had a great boxing brain,good hand speed,and was a concussive puncher with both hands.Lennox had one big problem LAZYNESS! he seemed to have great trouble motivating himself to train and prepare for a couple of fights,and he paid the price.Never had problems getting in shape for the big fights though,and would of of made Tyson at his peak,look like a boy.Where would i rate him in my all time heavyweight list ? He'd easily be top five.

[jasper65 6]

So was Joe Bugner and Richard Dunn . Top 5 fighters those no probs ....

[weg 0]

hatton to win late

[gnasher16 30,217]

I cannot believe some of the comments about Lennox Lewis.I don't care whether he is British or Canadian,and i'm well aware that he was knocked cold by a couple of lesser ranked fighters.He was class,and would of more than held his own with some of the greats.Lennox would have dwarfed most of the great heavyweights of the 50's 60's and 70's,he had a great boxing brain,good hand speed,and was a concussive puncher with both hands.Lennox had one big problem LAZYNESS! he seemed to have great trouble motivating himself to train and prepare for a couple of fights,and he paid the price.Never had problems getting in shape for the big fights though,and would of of made Tyson at his peak,look like a boy.Where would i rate him in my all time heavyweight list ? He'd easily be top five.

 

 

I make you right bill...not sure id go as high as top 5 though simply due to the fact that natural evolution in size meant yes he would probably have beaten 90 % of fighters throughout history....george foreman fought at around 228....ali at 220....frazier fought at around 216....marciano at around 195....lewis came in around 250 plus for most fights.... so yes lewis would probably have beaten marciano but i still dont think he can compare to him as a great historically.....

As for bugner or richard dunn where did they come into it

Edited September 24, 2007 by gnasher16

[Simoman 110]

Used to love thr Benn/Eubank foghts, although both were outclassed by Steve Collins.........

[Bryan 1,362]

it's a pity Hatton spends so much time just losing weight and that this fight has been made at the better weight for mayweather. Hatton struggled at this weight before why should it be any different against a better fighter.

i'd love to see Hatton blast him but i can't see it, mayweather will do his usual boring sh*t and win easily,

Bryan

[sniffer 167]

Spot on there bryan, mayweather is a natuarly bigger man stepping down and hatton stepping up, i hope hatton doe's nail him quick with them rib cruncher's, but i think floyd will yous'e his feet and brain and chop hatton to bit's i hope i have to eat my word's come fight night

[king 11,977]

i think hatton will lose in the 3rd round he is up against a top class fighter.

the news papers are hipeing him up all the time yes he can punch with power but there is no brains there just walk forward and pile on the pressure is his game. when he is up against a skillfull boxer with a good punch i think he will be picked off while coming in.

he will never be a clever boxer not like the man who has been world champion for 10years

and goes by the name of calzaghe. now he is a man who has been around since the eubank days and is still going strong. joe is the man you should watch to see how the clever man box's

Joe Calzaghe has now defended his WBO title 18 times - and is widely regarded as one of the best pound-for-pound fighters in the world

Edited September 25, 2007 by king

[gnasher16 30,217]

i think hatton will lose in the 3rd round he is up against a top class fighter.

the news papers are hipeing him up all the time yes he can punch with power but there is no brains there just walk forward and pile on the pressure is his game. when he is up against a skillfull boxer with a good punch i think he will be picked off while coming in.

he will never be a clever boxer not like the man who has been world champion for 10years

and goes by the name of calzaghe. now he is a man who has been around since the eubank days and is still going strong. joe is the man you should watch to see how the clever man box's

Joe Calzaghe has now defended his WBO title 18 times - and is widely regarded as one of the best pound-for-pound fighters in the world

 

 

Fair comment.......but at least hatton is willing to go in with the best.....calzaghe has had 18 defences yet still managed to avoid the best fighters in the world at and around his weight class...he has admitted many times he has never taken a fight he thought he might lose,and also said in his own book how he " would not " have fought wars like the benn/eubank fights....to be judged as a great pound for pound fighter you need to fight and beat other great fighters...calzaghe has never done that through his own choice......great talent no doubt about it.....just a shame his unbeaten record was always more important to him than fighting and beating the best.

 

Hatton has the brains he just doesnt have the style to be able to adapt to someone like mayweather.....he only knows one way to fight and thats to come forward throwing bombs,he does this very efficiently and structures his attacks well....but if that doesnt work( which i really hope it does) ....what then ?......mayweather has a fantastic boxing brain and lightning fast reactions,put that with the natural size advantage he has and the fact that hatton struggled at this weight before with mediocre opposition....and i only see one winner unfortunately.

[zap 4]

well i think hatton will win weather it a ko or by pionts i think hatton will wear his opponent down with a few of his body shots and there is no better man at landing body shots than hatton ,i think the first 2-3 rounds mayweather will try sitting back and boxing but hatton will just keep chasing him i think and hope ricky does the biz as that mayweather is a cocky twat plus he beat my all time favorite de la hoya