Imported Jagdterriers

[gonetoearth 5,144]

 

 

 

 

@Accip74... I'd assume not. I never hunted the dog... but sure would have liked to. I had a couple about that size that came over that were hunted to ground over there. They are generally to big for anything but denning yotes here.

 

@Stop End thanks man.... I'd sure enjoy someday seeing the dogs in your part of the world and learning from those of you use them.

 

jawn your more than welcome to come to ireland if you wanted to see how we operate on this side of the world.... and that is a true invitation from me personally not just hype!! you seem like a level headed individual who loves terrier work from all breeds, with the freedom to work quarry that we do not!! but if you would truly like to visit and see terriers work where i operate... start planning for next year...

I'd like that....I've only been once before about twenty years ago... and was only there long enough to switch planes and buy a sweater and a bottle of whisky.lol

no whiskey just terrier work its not delaney your talking too here lol... ... if its on your bucket list then you have accomadation... i have the terriers and the permission i have nothing to hide.. then you can judge from your own experience wether a jagd would suit what limited options i have here in my island!

I can't thank you enough for the invite.....It is indeed on my bucket list. I'll keep in contact through pm.....There's a couple of jagds I know, already on your island. But I see plenty of those knuckle heads...I have a deep appreciation for all working breeds... especially the terriers. I have no doubt I would leave with a new standard for my own dogs.

 

Here's another son of Astor Asstraata named Red Boy od Popa....He sired quite a few dogs that made their way over here. Most were exceptional dogs that raised the bar for jagds in the states.

 

. What hight would he be jawn

[jawn 449]

Jawn, Hogar Redboy od Popa died, Krle and lot of his relative kept by the guy who offered his pups who started this topic.

Grof Dorno and 2 of his sisters are also in Hungary. Grof Dorno wasn't tested in natural den, all what I've seen from him on an artificial den contest was excellent. He could let the boar sit by hanging on his tongue :-), never seen any similar before.

His sisters were worked regularly in their time (they are somewhere around 10 now), all of them were muted dogs - as Serbian guys likes them.

Also dug once to Krle, same type of work, not really what I like but would die for any quarry instead to leave it.

 

Yes.... I remember when Red Boy died....I had just negotiated what I thought was a fair price for the dog and they agreed to sell him. A week later he was dead. I can't remember now how big he was.... it's been several years since he died. I will say that I hunted with his sons and daughters and they were excellent dogs from Frizervald. The dogs from Vuk were also very good dogs.... If I was looking for a jagd I wouldn't be afraid to try one of these pups, but for me the price would be a good one.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Just for the record what would you say was the defining factor in your choice to work a jagd as opposed to any other breed .

[gonetoearth 5,144]

Please for give my ignorance but why would any terrierman in this country want a terrier that hunts deer , wild boar. Etc when we have spent all these years trying to stop them doing just that and we already have all the breeds that do it ant way is the jadg. Terrier is a utility dog like any other cross breed that been standardised. Or prove me wrong

Edited January 27, 2014 by gonetoearth

[unlacedgecko 1,466]

Please for give my ignorance but why would any terrierman in this country want a terrier that hunts deer , wild boar. Etc when we have spent all these years trying to stop them doing just that and we already have all the breeds that do it ant way is the jadg. Terrier is a utility dog like any other cross breed that been standardised. Or prove me wrong

 

That's down to the individual to decide. However, I think that any terrier will hunt deer, wild boar etc if given the chance. Even my jacking British bred black bitch will hunt deer and wild boar...

[stop.end 4,079]

beat me to it unlacedgecko.... its entirely up to the individual rearing the pup to introduce it to stock of all kinds...now admittingly that may be quite challenging afterall they do say there a highly strung terrier.... but at the end of the day that wouldnt bother me afterall its earth work id want them for not boar or deer or retreiving so it would just be kept on the lead till i got to a hole that needed checked!... was there not suspicion and doubts cast upon the patterdale not just 50 years ago!! now every one wants 1 or has 1...and ive seen my fair share of bad ones of these about too.....i dont need or want a jagd... but i sure as hell wouldnt knock what i havent seen... but thats jmo...

[gonetoearth 5,144]

beat me to it unlacedgecko.... its entirely up to the individual rearing the pup to introduce it to stock of all kinds...now admittingly that may be quite challenging afterall they do say there a highly strung terrier.... but at the end of the day that wouldnt bother me afterall its earth work id want them for not boar or deer or retreiving so it would just be kept on the lead till i got to a hole that needed checked!... was there not suspicion and doubts cast upon the patterdale not just 50 years ago!! now every one wants 1 or has 1...and ive seen my fair share of bad ones of these about too.....i dont need or want a jagd... but i sure as hell wouldnt knock what i havent seen... but thats jmo...

. There was no such thing as a patterdale 50 years ago and like ive allways said and still my own opinion cross breds them all terriers fells call them what you want , my point is. A terrier that has been. Bred for i dont know how many years the jagd has been bred but it seem by all the accounts its a utility type jack of all master of none i never stated all these facts read all the info thats been wrote about the type , Then. Ask the qestion on here do you want a cur thats been bred for. Deer tracking, boar, rabbit, hunt and retrieve that is the type thats been wrote about by others i know fook all about the breed just asking The qestion ,

[jawn 449]

Just for the record what would you say was the defining factor in your choice to work a jagd as opposed to any other breed .

 

As I said earlier on this thread.... I hunted with a few but I didn't even know what a jagd was. I have hunted all my life..... and had never seen a breed of dogs with even a fraction of the hunt these dogs had. I set myself to learning about the breed and I've seen much better jagds since.

It didn't take long for the goal to become defining their limits. I'm still learning about the breed..... but now it's about the limits of individual dogs within a line. I've come to realize that a good one will listen.... and it will come with an off switch. But you've got to hold up your end of the bargain and feed them work. They are fairly easily broken from non target species with the exception of skunk and armadillo. I have a deep appreciation for all working breeds. But these guys do what I need and then some. They are definitely not the best dog in every situation.... but I like it that I can drop the tailgate and know that they will make something happen.

 

@Gonetoearth.... that old saying isn't entirely true. And I'll never do the breed justice with words. I'd wager many of you would be surprised.

[gonetoearth 5,144]

 

Just for the record what would you say was the defining factor in your choice to work a jagd as opposed to any other breed .

 

As I said earlier on this thread.... I hunted with a few but I didn't even know what a jagd was. I have hunted all my life..... and had never seen a breed of dogs with even a fraction of the hunt these dogs had. I set myself to learning about the breed and I've seen much better jagds since.

It didn't take long for the goal to become defining their limits. I'm still learning about the breed..... but now it's about the limits of individual dogs within a line. I've come to realize that a good one will listen.... and it will come with an off switch. But you've got to hold up your end of the bargain and feed them work. They are fairly easily broken from non target species with the exception of skunk and armadillo. I have a deep appreciation for all working breeds. But these guys do what I need and then some. They are definitely not the best dog in every situation.... but I like it that I can drop the tailgate and know that they will make something happen.

 

@Gonetoearth.... that old saying isn't entirely true. And I'll never do the breed justice with words. I'd wager many of you would be surprised.

. Surprised by what exactly and what old saying

[stop.end 4,079]

i think its more to do with the freedom they have to roam and hunt at will is the reason why this terrier may be a jack of all trades?? i dont know either im just summising! but think about it these men roam a countryside with relaxed laws, so can allow there terrier to roam free to flush whatever quarry is put in front of them! i will agree here that this would not be my type of hunting. as i like earthwork i would have the dog/bitch for earthwork only.... so it would be this aspect and this aspect only that i would judge the dog on not as per say hunting but earthwork... and if they didnt suit...lol, well im working terriers a long time and im well used to seeing bad ones in all breeds if im honest!!!...and i have no argument on the patterdale/fell subject, i have enough enemies lol...but i still dont want a jagd but im all for terriers and earthwork for all breeds and from all countries....

[gonetoearth 5,144]

i think its more to do with the freedom they have to roam and hunt at will is the reason why this terrier may be a jack of all trades?? i dont know either im just summising! but think about it these men roam a countryside with relaxed laws, so can allow there terrier to roam free to flush whatever quarry is put in front of them! i will agree here that this would not be my type of hunting. as i like earthwork i would have the dog/bitch for earthwork only.... so it would be this aspect and this aspect only that i would judge the dog on not as per say hunting but earthwork... and if they didnt suit...lol, well im working terriers a long time and im well used to seeing bad ones in all breeds if im honest!!!...and i have no argument on the patterdale/fell subject, i have enough enemies lol...but i still dont want a jagd but im all for terriers and earthwork for all breeds and from all countries....

. Many thanks thats how iam understanding it Am not knocking it as ive never come across them though would love to see them working , maybe we are to tunnelled in are vision and the amount of stock that surround us we are very aware of were a terrier hunting deer etc could end up. Great thred by the way and allways good to learn

[jawn 449]

I was referring to the jack of all trades, master of none, label these dogs seem to have. I have seen Russells, Black Dogs, and every kind of terrier in between used for hunting hogs... and to their credit they get the job done. Jagds can be a serious liability if a person decides not to put a proper handle on them and expects there to be no problems if released if even for a moment. They will find trouble where none exists. Again... they aren't super terriers.... they are just working dogs. They can be allot of fun or a true pain in the ass.lol

[gonetoearth 5,144]

I was referring to the jack of all trades, master of none, label these dogs seem to have. I have seen Russells, Black Dogs, and every kind of terrier in between used for hunting hogs... and to their credit they get the job done. Jagds can be a serious liability if a person decides not to put a proper handle on them and expects there to be no problems if released if even for a moment. They will find trouble where none exists. Again... they aren't super terriers.... they are just working dogs. They can be allot of fun or a true pain in the ass.lol

thats the honest answer i was looking for So all in all they can adapt but need keeping in check like all terriers And jawn its a pleasure to read you out look on working dogs

[gonetoearth 5,144]

 

I was referring to the jack of all trades, master of none, label these dogs seem to have. I have seen Russells, Black Dogs, and every kind of terrier in between used for hunting hogs... and to their credit they get the job done. Jagds can be a serious liability if a person decides not to put a proper handle on them and expects there to be no problems if released if even for a moment. They will find trouble where none exists. Again... they aren't super terriers.... they are just working dogs. They can be allot of fun or a true pain in the ass.lol

thats the honest answer i was looking for So all in all they can adapt but need keeping in check like all terriers And jawn its a pleasure to read you out look on working dogs

. Had to go then , ill continue , over here. We probably dont. Fully use are terriers and scorn at there use for some tasks thats just the way its is , we see the use of terriers on rabbit and squirrel as demeaning and dont have the qarry species you have coon Etc or the danger of snake. Skunk or porkypine , so like i have previously said were somewhat tunnel visioned , the notion to some of using terriers. For tracking deer is a no no yet ive seen it done to great effect , ( I use the word used to ) hunt mink and still hunt rat on rivers the terrier is a caperble dog. But again. Many would treat it as unbecoming , hope ive ironed out any misconception of my opinions

[jawn 449]

I learn more here than anyone I believe.... And I'm kind of excited at the idea of hearing how the jagd works for those of you who do end up hunting one. People seem to love them or hate them....usually not much in between.