bird 9,983 Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 i'm going to throw something else into the pot now..... suppose there is a first class dog doing a brilliant job of work but he dies before serving any bitches. do you use his brother which hasnt seen any work, but hoping it will be carrying some of the same genes? you be better going back to the da instead of the brother imo. why that? as both got same genes , I can see why you wouldn't as its brother done nout, so its not proven like it brother was , but don't know alot about genes work out with dog .the only thing I was told when breeding they used to say, was look back at 3rd generation to see what kind of dogs there producing ,this was ped bullmastiffs not lurchers.? Quote Link to post
Dan Davies 7 Posted January 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 If there was a proven dog "in the line" somewhere surely another one could come good? Well you'd think...? Take human siblings for example? Ino it's not dogs but same principle ! My brother is a plank! Isn't switched on at all! Doesn't enjoy work and has no drive however I enjoy working and am driven to succeed and do well! Could this be the same with dogs? Quote Link to post
Dan Davies 7 Posted January 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Ino I've contradicted myself but it gives you two points of view on the matter Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 If there was a proven dog "in the line" somewhere surely another one could come good? Well you'd think...? Take human siblings for example? Ino it's not dogs but same principle ! My brother is a plank! Isn't switched on at all! Doesn't enjoy work and has no drive however I enjoy working and am driven to succeed and do well! Could this be the same with dogs? could be the cannabis Quote Link to post
Dan Davies 7 Posted January 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Paulus!!!! If only that wasn't true! Nail on the head haha!!! Quote Link to post
Dan Davies 7 Posted January 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Not that a dog would be smoking weed... But haha Quote Link to post
Ideation 8,216 Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 You could try non workers to get a working pup.... And it'd be ok if you were brutally honest about the resulting dogs, bred for yourself and were willing to cull hard. The issue is when you breed a litter of 8, sell them and when they don't work out you've chucked a load more average dogs on the merry go round..... Which someone with low standards, or who loves their lurcher cos she is friendly or Cute.... Will breed from and on it goes. Quote Link to post
lurcherman887 178 Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 If there was a proven dog "in the line" somewhere surely another one could come good? Well you'd think...? Take human siblings for example? Ino it's not dogs but same principle ! My brother is a plank! Isn't switched on at all! Doesn't enjoy work and has no drive however I enjoy working and am driven to succeed and do well! Could this be the same with dogs? could be the cannabis Cannabis has great qualities aha Quote Link to post
beast 1,884 Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 i'm going to throw something else into the pot now..... suppose there is a first class dog doing a brilliant job of work but he dies before serving any bitches. do you use his brother which hasnt seen any work, but hoping it will be carrying some of the same genes? you be better going back to the da instead of the brother imo. thats something i've heard before. i've heard it said that if you see a good dog, you should use his sire rather than the dog himself anyway. not sure i would completely agree with this, but its an interesting opinion. Quote Link to post
DEERMAN 1,020 Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) i'm going to throw something else into the pot now..... suppose there is a first class dog doing a brilliant job of work but he dies before serving any bitches. do you use his brother which hasnt seen any work, but hoping it will be carrying some of the same genes? If these dogs were from a tight bred line of workers yes def ,and that has been done with a lesser dog and produced better ,but worker to worker not related and then use non working brother ?no as their scatter bred anyway using non related dogs ,so why stack odds more against yourself ?but like everything in nature you could get the odd world beater from non workers but i prefer to have odds stacked other way ,worker to worker non related of course produces workers but not many as a tight bred line of tested dogs ,this is where using a non worked dog from line would work . Edited January 22, 2014 by DEERMAN Quote Link to post
Phil Lloyd 10,738 Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) Sensible words there.... Personaly,..I only need a scatter -bred cur for bush/busting,rabbit hunting and general mouching duties,..but if, I were still a keen young Buck..my priorities would be different..... I firmly believe the best way forwards, is to breed and test your stock,...be brave, be realistic and sort out any negatives,...and when you feel that you are even half way to getting the 'type' that you desire,..maybe keep things in the family,..breed close, establish a recognisable line.....and stick with it.. Back in the day, our farm collies were often related,...and when you had something that did the job,..it made sense, to walk with the Devil you knew, as opposed to travelling half way round the UK to use a mysterious Stud or Dam that you had scarce seen in action... All purely academic for me nowadays,... just my take on the matter.... Edited January 22, 2014 by Phil Lloyd Quote Link to post
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