AKA-BRINDLE 879 Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 Tyson was a 16yr old kid when he grabbed Teddy Atlas's sister in laws arse...seriously i couldnt give a f**k!...Atlas and Tyson shook and made up at a match the end of last year(you knew that right?)...if Holyfield is convinced Tyson is a nonce...why the f**k would he be taking Tyson to his sons amateur boxing matches???!!!!Now this is a good example of how you cant talk about Tyson as a boxer without all this silly halfbaked crap being dragged into it!...as for the rest of the above post...well its all soo clear now...thanks...almost like being there Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oneredtrim 148 Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 Tyson was a 16yr old kid when he grabbed Teddy Atlas's sister in laws arse...seriously i couldnt give a f**k! I did'nt ask ya if you could give a f8ck, Atlas.. it seems...did...if you don't....then that's.. err...somehert (give me a moment to think). You know what they say...dont be fingering first years when you're in 5th year...wont go down well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,280 Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 Now this is a good example of how you cant talk about Tyson as a boxer without all this silly halfbaked crap being dragged into it!... Totally agree with that its not my cuppa tea either.......but fairs fair when folk jump on the bandwagon of silly halfbaked crap concerning all his poor emotional weakness nonsense outside the ring its probably only fair to discuss ALL his nonsense outside the ring and not just the excuses..........if stories are your thing of course. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oneredtrim 148 Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 Evander useing the technique he did to implant a not scared station in his mind was/is not unique..astute possibly but not unique, they would often whisper into Listons ear that his opponent was giving his mrs one when it was looking like he was short on pepper. It's not by chance the three oppenents to seriously dampen iron Tyson were all clearly not feared of him. Evander had god on his side, Lewis was too intelligent to fall for intimidation and Douglas had seen enough little horrors and deaths in the lead-up to that meet to not be remotely intimidated (the reason the big uppercut fell short)....they all had the mind for him, he was powerful, not strong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AKA-BRINDLE 879 Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 Part of being the best out there is giving it your all dedicating yourself one hundred percent mike tyson didn't. Who knows what would of happend if he did? for me there's too many excuses surrounding tyson to be classed as one of the all time greats Holyfield did dedicate himself that's why IMO he achieved more than tyson Couldnt agree more.....i could of been the best chess player in the world IF.................i could of been the fastest sprinter in the world IF................if,but,s and maybe,s dont come into judging sports stars yet never in the history of sport has an athlete had more excuses given him than Tyson has.....i blame the era he dominated.... when boxing was watched free on tv by passing fans and the whole rocky story with his trainer and baddest man on the planet carry on had massive influence over impressionable youngsters. When you look at it head on what possible reason is there to think a man who never beat 1 great fighter...... could of beaten great fighters ....the 2 best fighters he faced beat him convincingly and they were not ALL TIME greats !.....Earnie Shavers is generally recognised as the hardest hitting heavyweight in history,yet nobody ever talks about him as being an all time great.....why ?.....because he was around when there was OTHER great heavyweights.....Tyson was around during the worst era in heavyweight history so gets spoken of in all time great terms......ive had conversations with old folk who remember the Ali era,a few who even remember the Louis era and say Tyson wouldnt of dominated in either......give him all the excuses you like....as George Foreman once said " i,ll take any excuse you are willing to give me......my shoes were too big ".............making excuses is not what a real champion ever does and to give the man credit its not something ive ever heard Tyson do. ...IF...Larry Holmes would of fought Ali 5 years earlier Ali would have beat him...without a doubt!...that maybe an IF or a BUT it may sound like an exscuse...but to most boxing fans its pretty much a fact...just the same as if Tyson would of fought Holyfield before he went to Jail he would of beat him...this was the opinion of a majority of boxing fans at the time...this is why Tyson came out of Jail into that match as odds on favourite with the bookies...it was clear for all to see Jail had took a lot out of him and he wernt the same fighter...he'd lost a lot of his timing and hand speed...everyone (other than you it seems) could see that "IF i would have fought Holyfield in 91 like i was supposed to fight him originaly i would have knocked him out he knows that everybody in his camp knows that the best thing that ever happened to him is i went to prison"....and thats one of many exscuses tysons makes that you have given him credit for not making. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AKA-BRINDLE 879 Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 Now this is a good example of how you cant talk about Tyson as a boxer without all this silly halfbaked crap being dragged into it!... Totally agree with that its not my cuppa tea either.......but fairs fair when folk jump on the bandwagon of silly halfbaked crap concerning all his poor emotional weakness nonsense outside the ring its probably only fair to discuss ALL his nonsense outside the ring and not just the excuses..........if stories are your thing of course. His mental health prison sentence and drug addiction did have a direct affect on his boxing...an incorrect story about something he did as a 16 year old has nothing to do with the Holyfield fights!...f**k i aint even really a fan of Tyson but i can see through all the crap about him impressionable people lap up...like i said earlier...as a boxer in his prime i rated him highly...the end 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oneredtrim 148 Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) it's worth remembering Douglas beat Tyson extremely comfortably before he went to prison, though granted something else may have been on his mind which was'nt on his mind when he beat ruddick (also before he went to prison)....though it may or may not have returned when he went injured with an holyfield meet zoomin in (before he went to prison). After prison Bruno and seldon are ok, the beast is back but hang on here comes that God merchant again who knows me secret. So prison aside how many rounds did he win in the trio of fights between Douglas Lewis and Holy Anyone remember the ads on a sunday night T T T TTTT Tyson, young kid on the tv freemans, non title fights, no other fighters just him. Got himself financial backing, non amateur medal winner....put-up to f**k, you've only got to listen to tyson himself a few yrs later when he really wanted to grass to the shenanighans of being built up to be a fighting monster. I've got a pal sadly enough who wont hear a word said about him, same mate watches storage wars like it's real. Sad thing is it's there to be done again. Edited January 22, 2014 by oneredtrim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,280 Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 ...IF...Larry Holmes would of fought Ali 5 years earlier Ali would have beat him...without a doubt!...that maybe an IF or a BUT it may sound like an exscuse...but to most boxing fans its pretty much a fact...just the same as if Tyson would of fought Holyfield before he went to Jail he would of beat him... Ok so based purely on what go,s on inside a boxing ring and not all the silly emotional crap and excuses............what possible reason is there to think Tyson could of beaten Holyfield or indeed Lennox ?......2 above average fighters of their generation,not greats but well above average......Tyson never beat a great fighter,ever ! Ali fought and beat great fighters of his generation during the greatest era of heavyweight boxing in history....so yes its safe to assume he would of beat Holmes........but what reason is there to think Tyson would of beat either of the 2 gents above had he fought them a few years earlier ??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
arcticgun 4,548 Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) society as a whole makes excuses for weakness nowadays its common place in education and every other facet of life, however in boxing, there is no hiding weakness, results are resukts and stand recorded in history, sad to see the excuses creep in, it cheapens it, ffs if he was not mentally ready then 'he' should of pulled out end of story, any failure to do so lays with him and his ego, to come up with excuses on the day or years after well its pathetic, but a symptom of the world today once the fights done its done, what if has no place in boxing, cos take away all the hype n bull, once the bells gone its a lonely place they go, matching peeps from different era's is all just speculation, lads of yester year fought hard to put food on table, now its all about the next million as easy as it comes Grew up in Tyson era, loved him at the time, and still say he is an 'all time great' he deffo bought summat to the table when it was needed, but like most myths he got dispelled in the end Edited January 23, 2014 by arcticgun 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brookie 1,193 Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) The men mike tyson fought at the time were the best available for him to fight .All of his opponents were very capable .some champs ex champs .top ten contenders .career defining fights .well he beat berbeck as a boy . he destroyed him .and berbeck fought the legends and they couldnt beat him like the boy tyson did .Micheal spinks .40 per cent of the worlds boxing critics picked spinks to beat tyson .after all he had beaten the great unbeaten larry holmes .yet tyson destroyed him .its possible douglas had tysons number maybe in the way that ken norton had alis or iran berkley had hearns number .Mike Tyson in his prime fighting the style cus damato taught him was unbeatable in any era and the least of his worries would have been holyfield or lennox lewis he would have stopped either inside of four rounds A good yard stick is watch holyfield versus alec stewart .then watch tyson versus stewart .Only a fool would attempt to ridicule or make light of mike tysons greatness .between 1987 and 1988 on his day he could have beaten any fighter from any era such was the level he was fighting at .at that time .if only he could have conducted himself with dignity and respect outside of the ring and stayed away from the drink and the drugs . Edited January 24, 2014 by brookie 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,280 Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Too silly to even bother getting in to ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
arcticgun 4,548 Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Remember seeing a documentry about Tyson, years back, mmentioned the Teddy Atlas incident, real shame Cus died,could of been a vvery different story had he lived another 10 years, I think Tyson was dooomed to end up back in the gutter the minute he broke bread with Don King, chewed up n spat back out, what could of been a real american success story became one mans total robberyvand destruction of another, I wonder just how much king actually robbed tyson of,real lifevexample of layin down wibdogs n gettin up wi fleas Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marky b 309 Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Witch boxer said don king wears his hair up to hide his horns I can't remember 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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