Mike Tyson Evander Holyfield

[baw 4,360]

See the problem with boxing is its all smoke and mirrors. I don't know enough about it to judge whether someone is the best ever. Unfortunately these guys come into their prime at different times from each other, different eras. You see 2 names going to fight, ones on the up ones on the down, hard to compare. Tyson could have fought a load of bums, I don't know and at the time, didn't care. All I seem was the name Tyson, opponent didn't matter, it could have been Tyson V Malts granny, didn't matter, I just wanted to see Tyson knock f**k out of someone. He had that draw, put bums on seats, he was exciting and that's all I want when I watch any sport really, I want to be entertained. I got sucked in with the prince Nazeem hype for the opposite reason. I wanted to see some c**t knock him out. But the more fights I saw, the more I thought this kids good. Was he fighting bums? I dunno but he got found out and that was that. Was Tyson in the same mould? I dunno but he sure as f**k earned my respect.

[Malt 379]

it could have been Tyson V Malts granny, didn't matter,

You've obviously never seen a fiery old Welsh chapel going woman let rip mate...

[baw 4,360]

I've seen a Glasgow one going, it was pretty impressive

[gonetoearth 5,144]

 

 

bonecrusher smith took tyson the full 12 rounds and made tyson look average imo.

tyson was a brawler but hollyfield was a better allround fighter.

ali... best heavyweight ever.

 

Yes average against bonecrusher smith...a trapped nerve in his neck was the excuse Tyson used...but to be fair while he was in jail Holyfield looked average agianst Bobby Czyz...a puffed up light heavyweight who Holyfield struggled against for 10 rounds...he looked very avaerage when he was put on his arse by a last minute replacement Bert Cooper...if Holyfield was such a superiour Boxer why did he resort to holding and using his head?...I wouldnt say Tyson was an all time 'great'...but he was a bright spark in an otherwise dull era...too many people judge him for the c**t he was outside the ring...as a Boxer i rated him highly

"Tyson throws combinations i never saw before i was stunned i worked with Ali and Sugar Ray Leonard but im seeing from Tyson a three punch combination second to none,when have you seen a guy throw a right hand to the kidney,come up the middle with an uppercut then throw a left hook?"!...ANGELO DUNDEE

on the night mike tyson beat micheal spinks .eddie futch commented .on tonights performance mike tyson would have beaten any heavy weight in history .But hey whos eddie futch .Holyfield was full of roids and the dirtiest fighter out there who was allowed by mils lane to get away with murder against tyson .if mills lane had stopped holyfields illegal use of his head early in the fight and had allowed tyson to fight at close range and inside it would have been a very interesting fight .one can only imagine what a fighter mike tyson would have been if he hadnt suffered manic depression and and alcohol and drug addiction all of his career ..

. Funny thing is brookie stright after that fight there was a meeting of the world pro boxing referees You would of thought with all the officials looking on. Old mills would have adjudicated to a higher standed , the fight was dirty but both were as bad as each other and. In my opinion mills lane took that into consideration only my opininon mind , Got a photo with him after that fight by the way. In the ring lol

[gonetoearth 5,144]

 

 

 

bonecrusher smith took tyson the full 12 rounds and made tyson look average imo.

tyson was a brawler but hollyfield was a better allround fighter.

ali... best heavyweight ever.

 

Yes average against bonecrusher smith...a trapped nerve in his neck was the excuse Tyson used...but to be fair while he was in jail Holyfield looked average agianst Bobby Czyz...a puffed up light heavyweight who Holyfield struggled against for 10 rounds...he looked very avaerage when he was put on his arse by a last minute replacement Bert Cooper...if Holyfield was such a superiour Boxer why did he resort to holding and using his head?...I wouldnt say Tyson was an all time 'great'...but he was a bright spark in an otherwise dull era...too many people judge him for the c**t he was outside the ring...as a Boxer i rated him highly

"Tyson throws combinations i never saw before i was stunned i worked with Ali and Sugar Ray Leonard but im seeing from Tyson a three punch combination second to none,when have you seen a guy throw a right hand to the kidney,come up the middle with an uppercut then throw a left hook?"!...ANGELO DUNDEE

on the night mike tyson beat micheal spinks .eddie futch commented .on tonights performance mike tyson would have beaten any heavy weight in history .But hey whos eddie futch .Holyfield was full of roids and the dirtiest fighter out there who was allowed by mils lane to get away with murder against tyson .if mills lane had stopped holyfields illegal use of his head early in the fight and had allowed tyson to fight at close range and inside it would have been a very interesting fight .one can only imagine what a fighter mike tyson would have been if he hadnt suffered manic depression and and alcohol and drug addiction all of his career ..

Holyfield had told tyson in company whilst a light heavy he knew of his nonce activities and his god did.nt care for such a carry on, he had his number roids or not (was the little mini heart scare down to the roids?)....Douglas did mr im gonna rape ya mam and kill your kids Tyson with the olde Kirkland laing leg slap everytime he was just about to do his ff hop scotch move....f****d him up. He fought that fight bang on his weight and no tyson fan booked that fight even suggesting anthying was amiss....they did after but what happened in between is the bit that counts....he spewed when he got matched.

did not know the sun was printed in the usa

[brookie 1,193]

 

 

 

bonecrusher smith took tyson the full 12 rounds and made tyson look average imo.

tyson was a brawler but hollyfield was a better allround fighter.

ali... best heavyweight ever.

Yes average against bonecrusher smith...a trapped nerve in his neck was the excuse Tyson used...but to be fair while he was in jail Holyfield looked average agianst Bobby Czyz...a puffed up light heavyweight who Holyfield struggled against for 10 rounds...he looked very avaerage when he was put on his arse by a last minute replacement Bert Cooper...if Holyfield was such a superiour Boxer why did he resort to holding and using his head?...I wouldnt say Tyson was an all time 'great'...but he was a bright spark in an otherwise dull era...too many people judge him for the c**t he was outside the ring...as a Boxer i rated him highly

"Tyson throws combinations i never saw before i was stunned i worked with Ali and Sugar Ray Leonard but im seeing from Tyson a three punch combination second to none,when have you seen a guy throw a right hand to the kidney,come up the middle with an uppercut then throw a left hook?"!...ANGELO DUNDEE

 

on the night mike tyson beat micheal spinks .eddie futch commented .on tonights performance mike tyson would have beaten any heavy weight in history .But hey whos eddie futch .Holyfield was full of roids and the dirtiest fighter out there who was allowed by mils lane to get away with murder against tyson .if mills lane had stopped holyfields illegal use of his head early in the fight and had allowed tyson to fight at close range and inside it would have been a very interesting fight .one can only imagine what a fighter mike tyson would have been if he hadnt suffered manic depression and and alcohol and drug addiction all of his career ..

 

 

Holyfield had told tyson in company whilst a light heavy he knew of his nonce activities and his god did.nt care for such a carry on, he had his number roids or not (was the little mini heart scare down to the roids?)....Douglas did mr im gonna rape ya mam and kill your kids Tyson with the olde Kirkland laing leg slap everytime he was just about to do his ff hop scotch move....f****d him up. He fought that fight bang on his weight and no tyson fan booked that fight even suggesting anthying was amiss....they did after but what happened in between is the bit that counts....he spewed when he got matched.

 

tyson a nonce and only you privy to that information hahaha .tysons build up to the douglas fight was the beginning of the end .his relationship with robin givens was on the rocks he was leaving his training camp chasing after her .his depression was starting to really affect his rationality although saying that at that time douglas could have beaten any one at that stage of his career his performance against tony tucker the fight before was awesome ..Holyfield would have struggled in most eras as shown with his performance against lewis bowe and an old ,very old george foreman .Whilst on the other hand tyson at his brutal best would have destroyed dempsey .joe louis frazier .lennox lewis and either the robots .as for spewing when matched .he was one of the most brutal heavy weight champions of all time . men like him dont spew .

[gonetoearth 5,144]

Tyson = king = destruction .

[oneredtrim 148]

 

 

 

 

bonecrusher smith took tyson the full 12 rounds and made tyson look average imo.

tyson was a brawler but hollyfield was a better allround fighter.

ali... best heavyweight ever.

Yes average against bonecrusher smith...a trapped nerve in his neck was the excuse Tyson used...but to be fair while he was in jail Holyfield looked average agianst Bobby Czyz...a puffed up light heavyweight who Holyfield struggled against for 10 rounds...he looked very avaerage when he was put on his arse by a last minute replacement Bert Cooper...if Holyfield was such a superiour Boxer why did he resort to holding and using his head?...I wouldnt say Tyson was an all time 'great'...but he was a bright spark in an otherwise dull era...too many people judge him for the c**t he was outside the ring...as a Boxer i rated him highly

"Tyson throws combinations i never saw before i was stunned i worked with Ali and Sugar Ray Leonard but im seeing from Tyson a three punch combination second to none,when have you seen a guy throw a right hand to the kidney,come up the middle with an uppercut then throw a left hook?"!...ANGELO DUNDEE

 

on the night mike tyson beat micheal spinks .eddie futch commented .on tonights performance mike tyson would have beaten any heavy weight in history .But hey whos eddie futch .Holyfield was full of roids and the dirtiest fighter out there who was allowed by mils lane to get away with murder against tyson .if mills lane had stopped holyfields illegal use of his head early in the fight and had allowed tyson to fight at close range and inside it would have been a very interesting fight .one can only imagine what a fighter mike tyson would have been if he hadnt suffered manic depression and and alcohol and drug addiction all of his career ..

 

 

Holyfield had told tyson in company whilst a light heavy he knew of his nonce activities and his god did.nt care for such a carry on, he had his number roids or not (was the little mini heart scare down to the roids?)....Douglas did mr im gonna rape ya mam and kill your kids Tyson with the olde Kirkland laing leg slap everytime he was just about to do his ff hop scotch move....f****d him up. He fought that fight bang on his weight and no tyson fan booked that fight even suggesting anthying was amiss....they did after but what happened in between is the bit that counts....he spewed when he got matched.

 

tyson a nonce and only you privy to that information hahaha .tysons

 

 

'At one point Tyson went too far and grabbed Atlas' 11-year old niece and intimidated her and told her he was going to rape her--this became the breaking point in the relationship between Atlas, Tyson, and D'Amato. Atlas came home to see his wife, sister-in-law, and niece in tears after the incident and found out what had happened. He also knew that based on prior history D'Amato wouldn't punish Tyson for what he'd done. Atlas got a pistol from a friend and confronted Tyson later that night, putting the gun to his ear and telling him to stay away from his family or die. Tyson, street-hardened, didn't take Atlas' threat seriously until Atlas fired off a close warning shot. At that point Tyson got the message but the relationship was severed. Atlas was offered a cut of Tyson's career earnings to walk away from the gym but instead opted to leave the Catskills on his own volition, knowingly leaving millions of dollars on the table--he didn't want to trade his honour for money'

 

Touched her and told her he was going to rape her....whilst in the dark, in her bedroom, not his, everyone else zzzz's...need a few hail marys and our fathers to rid yourself of that shit.

Edited January 21, 2014 by oneredtrim

[Astanley 11,580]

See the problem with boxing is its all smoke and mirrors. I don't know enough about it to judge whether someone is the best ever. Unfortunately these guys come into their prime at different times from each other, different eras. You see 2 names going to fight, ones on the up ones on the down, hard to compare. Tyson could have fought a load of bums, I don't know and at the time, didn't care. All I seem was the name Tyson, opponent didn't matter, it could have been Tyson V Malts granny, didn't matter, I just wanted to see Tyson knock f**k out of someone. He had that draw, put bums on seats, he was exciting and that's all I want when I watch any sport really, I want to be entertained. I got sucked in with the prince Nazeem hype for the opposite reason. I wanted to see some c**t knock him out. But the more fights I saw, the more I thought this kids good. Was he fighting bums? I dunno but he got found out and that was that. Was Tyson in the same mould? I dunno but he sure as f**k earned my respect.

Smoke and mirrors and hype will only get you so far in boxing , it is the most brutally honest of all sports and eventually everyone gets their ,,acid test ,,ability , fitness ,determination ,courage and durability are enough in most sports ,not boxing , eventually you will need something else , I don't even think there is a word for it , its a belief that however much it hurts , however tired you are ,no matter how much punishment your shipping , no matter what , You are still trying to win ,you still believe you can win , fuk it , you even think your winning,.maybe its the definition of gameness ,,,,every truly great boxer has had their ,,acid test ,,

[gonetoearth 5,144]

 

See the problem with boxing is its all smoke and mirrors. I don't know enough about it to judge whether someone is the best ever. Unfortunately these guys come into their prime at different times from each other, different eras. You see 2 names going to fight, ones on the up ones on the down, hard to compare. Tyson could have fought a load of bums, I don't know and at the time, didn't care. All I seem was the name Tyson, opponent didn't matter, it could have been Tyson V Malts granny, didn't matter, I just wanted to see Tyson knock f**k out of someone. He had that draw, put bums on seats, he was exciting and that's all I want when I watch any sport really, I want to be entertained. I got sucked in with the prince Nazeem hype for the opposite reason. I wanted to see some c**t knock him out. But the more fights I saw, the more I thought this kids good. Was he fighting bums? I dunno but he got found out and that was that. Was Tyson in the same mould? I dunno but he sure as f**k earned my respect.

 

Smoke and mirrors and hype will only get you so far in boxing , it is the most brutally honest of all sports and eventually everyone gets their ,,acid test ,,ability , fitness ,determination ,courage and durability are enough in most sports ,not boxing , eventually you will need something else , I don't even think there is a word for it , its a belief that however much it hurts , however tired you are ,no matter how much punishment your shipping , no matter what , You are still trying to win ,you still believe you can win , fuk it , you even think your winning,.maybe its the definition of gameness ,,,,every truly great boxer has had their ,,acid test ,,

. Very well put. Takes us back to issues of should refs stop fights and when shoud they as every one is differant , boxing is like no other sport. Go on to long and the results are there for every one to see. Throw the towel in some may get called spewer , Me i addmire any person who climbs through the ropes be he a world champion or an 11 year old lad starting out. I all so like to read other opinions. Two of the most famous american sports writers never boxed a round yet there. Writing takes you there the ringmagazine is still the bible , i all ways compare boxers to WORKING terriers WHY THE FOOK DO THEY DO IT

[gnasher16 30,504]

He fought that fight bang on his weight and no tyson fan booked that fight even suggesting anthying was amiss....they did after but what happened in between is the bit that counts....he spewed when he got matched.

 

 

Must admit its not often i see eye to eye with the chap Oneredtrim,i dont actually understand what he,s on about half the time ......but the above is loud and clear and 100% bang on......its the age old saying " couldnt take what he gave out "....its happened before and will happen again i dont understand why folk are so mystified by it......all i can think is people are often so awe inspired by their hero,s they just cant see any wrong in them its a bit like Michael Jackson and other iconic figures... people are willing to ignore the fact he slept with children and want to believe the unbelievable....having an opinion is one thing i have a few friends who wont hear a bad word said about Tyson but how otherwise intelligent people can make the excuses for him that they do is beyond my logic......Tyson and Holyfield were 2 rough dirty fighters who had 2 rough dirty fights that Tyson lost in poor fashion....get over it !....Jersy Joe didnt cry and moan when Marciano roughed him up and beat him,nobody gave Carpentier excuses when Dempsey roughed him up and hundreds of others through history..... never has the excuse " he was dirty " been used as an excuse by a professional fighter......and as for all the " he wasnt right emotionally,he had trouble with his wife,he was weak minded ".....f**k me how about the next explosive prospect that comes along we all rub his belly and whisper confidence building thoughts in his ear every 5 minutes !.......Its laughable.....if he didnt have it mentally thats tough thousands of young prospects around the world prove not to have it mentally every day its called failure and it happens at every level.

 

As regards the post about the Teddy Atlas incident personally i dont delve into stories written in books....but Teddy Atlas is respected throuhout the world as an honest and high principalled man........if it was a toss up between believing his word or the word of a cheat,liar and self confessed scumbag......i know where my mind would be.

Edited January 21, 2014 by gnasher16

[marky b 309]

 

 

He fought that fight bang on his weight and no tyson fan booked that fight even suggesting anthying was amiss....they did after but what happened in between is the bit that counts....he spewed when he got matched.

 

Must admit its not often i see eye to eye with the chap Oneredtrim,i dont actually understand what he,s on about half the time ......but the above is loud and clear and 100% bang on......its the age old saying " couldnt take what he gave out "....its happened before and will happen again i dont understand why folk are so mystified by it......all i can think is people are often so awe inspired by their hero,s they just cant see any wrong in them its a bit like Michael Jackson and other iconic figures... people are willing to ignore the fact he slept with children and want to believe the unbelievable....having an opinion is one thing i have a few friends who wont hear a bad word said about Tyson but how otherwise intelligent people can make the excuses for him that they do is beyond my logic......Tyson and Holyfield were 2 rough dirty fighters who had 2 rough dirty fights that Tyson lost in poor fashion....get over it !....Jersy Joe didnt cry and moan when Marciano roughed him up and beat him,nobody gave Carpentier excuses when Dempsey roughed him up and hundreds of others through history..... never has the excuse " he was dirty " been used as an excuse by a professional fighter......and as for all the " he wasnt right emotionally,he had trouble with his wife,he was weak minded ".....f**k me how about the next explosive prospect that comes along we all rub his belly and whisper confidence building thoughts in his ear every 5 minutes !.......Its laughable.....if he didnt have it mentally thats tough thousands of young prospects around the world prove not to have it mentally every day its called failure and it happens at every level.

 

As regards the post about the Teddy Atlas incident personally i dont delve into stories written in books....but Teddy Atlas is respected throuhout the world as an honest and high principalled man........if it was a toss up between believing his word or the word of a cheat,liar and self confessed scumbag......i know where my mind would be.

i reckon your spot on there mate

[keepdiggin 9,561]

talks cheap Larry

Edited January 22, 2014 by keepdiggin

[General lee 979]

 

He fought that fight bang on his weight and no tyson fan booked that fight even suggesting anthying was amiss....they did after but what happened in between is the bit that counts....he spewed when he got matched.

 

Must admit its not often i see eye to eye with the chap Oneredtrim,i dont actually understand what he,s on about half the time ......but the above is loud and clear and 100% bang on......its the age old saying " couldnt take what he gave out "....its happened before and will happen again i dont understand why folk are so mystified by it......all i can think is people are often so awe inspired by their hero,s they just cant see any wrong in them its a bit like Michael Jackson and other iconic figures... people are willing to ignore the fact he slept with children and want to believe the unbelievable....having an opinion is one thing i have a few friends who wont hear a bad word said about Tyson but how otherwise intelligent people can make the excuses for him that they do is beyond my logic......Tyson and Holyfield were 2 rough dirty fighters who had 2 rough dirty fights that Tyson lost in poor fashion....get over it !....Jersy Joe didnt cry and moan when Marciano roughed him up and beat him,nobody gave Carpentier excuses when Dempsey roughed him up and hundreds of others through history..... never has the excuse " he was dirty " been used as an excuse by a professional fighter......and as for all the " he wasnt right emotionally,he had trouble with his wife,he was weak minded ".....f**k me how about the next explosive prospect that comes along we all rub his belly and whisper confidence building thoughts in his ear every 5 minutes !.......Its laughable.....if he didnt have it mentally thats tough thousands of young prospects around the world prove not to have it mentally every day its called failure and it happens at every level.

 

As regards the post about the Teddy Atlas incident personally i dont delve into stories written in books....but Teddy Atlas is respected throuhout the world as an honest and high principalled man........if it was a toss up between believing his word or the word of a cheat,liar and self confessed scumbag......i know where my mind would be.

. Well said gnasher I have read a lot of your posts and we rarely agree on much but I think you are spot on with this one they are fighters they get in the ring no excuses all this rubbish about his mind wasn't right Tyson and Holyfield had the same time to train they both stepped in the ring ready to fight and Tyson lost Holyfield was the better fighter and I think the outcome would have been the same at any point in there career

[oneredtrim 148]

When iron bad man eventually stuck that uppercut on Douglas and put him to the floor, Tyson, King and every fucka on the globe expected him to swipe the job-up...with Tyson stood in his corner snorting doing his little animal kickbacks....it was on...was it f**k, nobody complained about a long count till after the fight and some mongs even complained he was robbed after viewing douglas spin over and put one knee to the canvas awaiting the count (in a total of 4 sec's) that did'nt come cause bad man wtd to finish it there and then without retreating to nuetrals. He got his bomb-in, no excuses, it wont enough. When he bit lennys ankle folk rushed to subscribe....not to see lenny take the piss..bad man had got his mad up...big mistake getting your temper and your talent arse about. Lewis and Douglas (when he could be arsed) would look sufficiently profficient at anyother weight division, Tyson at a lighter weight would look ....make your own mind up. Bizarelly Clay when asked (by joanna lumley of all people) how he'd deal with a rampaging Tyson described the douglas fight to a t, an absolute t, saying he should be ready to start planting feet around 7 or 8 and be looking to mop up by ten...i say bizarre cause the interview was 18month before the fight was even dreamt of.

 

I'd love to able to tell ya who it was at catskills (non atlas) that told the anecdote of a light heavy evander deciding god aint scared of nonces...whoever it was.it was a tyson aide because i recall clearly him stateing 'if he ever goes heavy we're in trouble'