Armed Self Defence ~ Ukip .....

[Born Hunter 17,798]

You don't have to kill someone if you have a shotgun, imagine what a 12 bore would do to a leg at 5m

 

A shot to the thigh would in all likeliness result in death through blood loss in under 5 mins.

 

If you didn't want to have a lethal projectile, then a non lethal 12 gauge round at center of mass would stop them.

[scothunter 12,609]

how about just buying a decent burglar alarm lol

[oneredtrim 148]

how about just buying a decent burglar alarm lol

 

With a silent dialler (auth held-off function) straight into your tricky fone, i mean lets call a spade a battenberg cake..nowt beats a little game of creepy-stalky in a gaff where ya know every creak, especially if you're armed with something innocent that would render a wolverine parrot and not make a noise.

 

Do we have forum members in the house who have burgled some poor unfortunate fucka and are sat there keepin well stum in this thread...my antenna's at it again.

[socks 32,253]

 

how about just buying a decent burglar alarm lol

 

With a silent dialler (auth held-off function) straight into your tricky fone, i mean lets call a spade a battenberg cake..nowt beats a little game of creepy-stalky in a gaff where ya know every creak, especially if you're armed with something innocent that would render a wolverine parrot and not make a noise.

 

Do we have forum members in the house who have burgled some poor unfortunate fucka and are sat there keepin well stum in this thread...my antenna's at it again.

What language do you speak ..........

[oneredtrim 148]

 

 

how about just buying a decent burglar alarm lol

With a silent dialler (auth held-off function) straight into your tricky fone, i mean lets call a spade a battenberg cake..nowt beats a little game of creepy-stalky in a gaff where ya know every creak, especially if you're armed with something innocent that would render a wolverine parrot and not make a noise.

 

Do we have forum members in the house who have burgled some poor unfortunate fucka and are sat there keepin well stum in this thread...my antenna's at it again.

What language do you speak ..........

 

 

Any one i want Sockingtons....'pays piper'.

[socks 32,253]

 

 

 

how about just buying a decent burglar alarm lol

 

With a silent dialler (auth held-off function) straight into your tricky fone, i mean lets call a spade a battenberg cake..nowt beats a little game of creepy-stalky in a gaff where ya know every creak, especially if you're armed with something innocent that would render a wolverine parrot and not make a noise.

 

Do we have forum members in the house who have burgled some poor unfortunate fucka and are sat there keepin well stum in this thread...my antenna's at it again.

What language do you speak ..........

Any one i want Sockingtons....'pays piper'.

Nope I am completely fukcing lost now ............

[oneredtrim 148]

 

 

 

 

 

Nope I am completely fukcing lost now ............

 

 

With a silent dialler (auth held-off function) straight into your tricky fone, i mean lets call a spade a battenberg cake..nowt beats a little game of creepy-stalky in a gaff where ya know every creak, especially if you're armed with something innocent that would render a wolverine parrot and not make a noise.

^

Intruder alarm...bells held off from activating...cell fone gives notification with corresponding code to whereabout of intrusion...so configured so that intruders are not actually in property...gives just enough time for a student of such capers to prepair the thier intro....nowt wrong with that....all perfectly legal and above board.

 

Remember boys and girls, dont slot em during the day, it's burglary during the day, @ night if you fancy a do....it's robbery in the eyes of the law...there's a difference....slot at night, fractures the hips or something during the day.

 

I remember Barny H complaining it was only 2 in the afternoon after catching up with two burglars who had pulled a philips screwdriver on his nephew, he pulled that sheepish look he had when i asked him how he'd gone on....they'll live he kept sayin...found out later he'd chopped thier thumbs off. Bizarelly the copper that come for him asked him could he not have just run em over or somesuch and Barny flashed an indignant look to quash such thoughts and replied 'cud i fuckerslike, they pulled a screw-driver'...the copper replied oh i see what you mean.

Edited January 17, 2014 by oneredtrim

[Wildling 520]

W . T . F

 

Is this some sort of dead language ?

[oneredtrim 148]

W . T . F

 

Is this some sort of dead language ?

 

Is W.T.F. nouveau?

[ChrisJones 7,975]

How many on here have suffered a home invasion?do the statistics warrant arming the public? people need to think long and hard about the consequences and the responsibility of being armed in the home,for those of us with children just how do you gain access to the firearm in due time should an incident occur and yet prevent access by the kids, having a gun for self defence is no use if its locked in a cabinet.how many folks truly want to spend their life carrying a pistol it sounds great to some (it isnt at all) reality is you become complacent and the gun stays locked in that cabinet and once again is no use in a confrontation.

To see the consequence of owning SD firearms folks should look to the usa to see how many relatives are shot by mistake, how many kids gain access to their familys guns and go to school with them, how many innocent people get shot and how many wifes top their husband for not putting the shitter seat back down.

 

Now which to use 12shot pump or glock 17 decisions,decisions LOL

 

Unless you're around drugs, or money, the risk of home invasion is pretty slim. What about the risk of rape though? Mugging? Stabbing? Road rage?

 

I hear what you're saying about the security aspect but how many times are people stabbed, with kitchen knives? How many times do kids steal their parents car.

 

If you want an accurate comparison of gun accidents in the US look how many times firearms are used legally, by people, in the prevention of crime. If you're willing to shoot someone over the toilet seat, that's not a gun control issue. That's a mental health issue. How many people in Britain have been stabbed over some stupid argument with the family?

 

Guns are just a tool. If you have the intent to do horrible things you'll do it with whatever tool you think is best for the job. Just like now. The legality prevents the lawful from defending themselves against those that prey on the weak.

 

Shotgun, or Glock? Depends on the right tool for the job.

 

how many nights do people really stay awake worrying about a break in?

 

Depends where you live. How much shit have you had stolen, from you in the last 10 years? Locks and alarms only keep honest people out. How many people on this forum alone have been the victim of some kind of theft in the last 12 months?

 

Greater Manchester's response time, for a break in, was between four and twenty eight hours, the last twelve times I had to phone them. I've not had to phone them for the last six years because I moved.

 

Don't the statistics of gun ownership correlate with less violent crime though. For example there's more gun crime in Chicago and Detroit where I understand it's illegal to carry a gun compared with other parts of USA where it is. Also Switzerland doesn't have a reputation for gun crime. Unfortunately it seems that certain groups of society(blacks), no matter which society that is in the world, are more predisposed to violent crime and they are the ones who create the vast majority of gun crimes statistics.

 

If you dig into it yes. US states issuing concealed carry permits are seeing a drop in crime. I posted an example of mandatory firearm ownership correlating with an 89% drop in home burglaries. The US cities with the highest crime rates have the strictest gun control laws.

 

Hang on, I think this is getting a bit out of hand and risks making UKIP policy look like something it is not.

 

 

They HAVE NOT suggested a wild west policy of concealed carry permits for lethal pistols. They do however want to de-restrict non lethal self defence aids for this purpose.

 

 

They want the legalisation of firearms for home defence. Which at the very least would be a shotgun. Now based on the fact that we have these readily available already and we are already allowed to use them for home defence why then should it not be acceptable to apply for one solely for the purpose of home defence? Nothing would change, other than law abiding citizens with no interest in shooting sports now being able to obtain one to protect themselves, the same as law abiding citizens that do have an interest in shooting sports can.

 

 

The second significant point is the de-restriction on pistol ownership. A more contentious issue I'll admit. Though the fact is the pistol legislation brought in after Dunblane has had no positive effect on gun crime statistics. We even still have legally held firearm massacres! Tbh I'm not sure what benefits we get through our extreme restrictions on pistol ownership? Should we just ban all firearms to be on the safe side? That'll certainly put an end to all legally held firearm crime. If we want to talk about the damage capability of firearms, I'd put a 12 shot semi auto 12 gauge right up there with the most devastating! And they're perfectly obtainable on a FAC.

 

 

Besides from logic, statistics and sense I have my philosophical view; The government has progressively taken away our civil liberties and most basic human rights for 'our own protection', we must trust them to do what we should be able to do for ourselves, like infants. Where does it end? They've already created a society that has a minority dependant on them through welfare and tax. Simply I'd prefer a liberated society with true freedom and all the shit that goes with it than a sterilised society that is allegedly safe in the hands of the controlling state.

 

Well said, BH. The ultimate repeal of the handgun laws is probably never going to happen. The loosening of defensive firearm legislation is probably never going to happen.

 

As you've right pointed out, we live in a society that has removed our civil liberties to the point of being not just victims but accessssories to a crime, if we fight back.

 

It needs to stop but it likely won't.

[ChrisJones 7,975]

The other question to ponder is .... How many would actually pull the trigger ??? ...........

 

In a life threatening situation? Hard to tell. I'd have more faith in a woman, with her kids in the house, doing the right thing than anyone else. Why not give her the force multiplier she should have by right?

 

 

The other question to ponder is .... How many would actually pull the trigger ??? ...........

 

I imagine that woman on Walshies post was how most people would be thinking.

 

The problem with pulling a gun out is a person is then forced to either use it of have it taken off them and maybe used against themselves. I'm be much more in favour of non lethal weapons like Tazers being allowed in anyones house but illegal on the streets, those that already have shotguns have the means to protect themselves but could they get it out of the cabinet and load it in time? If you do have the time are you in imminent threat?

 

The only situation that having a weapon would work out is if you wake up in the middle of the night hearing someone in your house, get the gun etc out and stand at the top of your stairs, call a warning that if they try to come up the stairs their getting shot. Walking in to a dark downstairs room with a long gun is suicide.

 

 

Tazers are just as capable of being used against you as a firearm arm is. If you're not in the greatest of health they can be lethal too. If anyone is serious about it use the wasp & hornets nest destroyer. It's got the range to incapacitate an assailant, and you don't risk dosing yourself with it, like pepper spray.

 

Problem is it's f*****g illegal to do this in the UK. Which is the part of the debate that supercedes gun control.

 

how about just buying a decent burglar alarm lol

 

Tried that. My neighbour dismantled it, one afternoon, because it 'kept going off' and he 'couldn't sleep.'

 

They nicked my van and all my spraying gear.

 

How many burglar alarms do you hear these days?

 

Probably none because we tune them out.

[oneredtrim 148]

That funny time of the month might prove problematic to femme gun holders Chris (besides the age old adage about them having greater fecundity to the race)

 

No disrespect intended but if your neighbours turned you system off so easilly then it likely was'nt much kit, been many moons since bank security systems were by-passed....any trick thats been converted is counter-acted by the industry within months. When was the last bank robbed at night?...civi's wont pay the money, they'll tip it up for a 50ft tv screen

 

Planned and organised correctly it's very possible to have 5 designated key holders all notified the minute the bell box grub-screw is turned too far out of it's houseing by a neighbour/messer.....without the neighbour/messer or authorities knowing you've just handpicked the suitable spec from your 5 a side list.

 

Sounds a lot of messing i know but folk will know the 1/16th of hard blood wippet introduced into a line in '48 when they get serious about certain matters...show that kind of savanty to other matters and you'll end up where you want to be

Edited January 17, 2014 by oneredtrim

[ChrisJones 7,975]

That funny time of the month might prove problematic to femme gun holders Chris (besides the age old adage about them having greater fecundity to the race)

 

No disrespect intended but if your neighbours turned you system off so easilly then it likely was'nt much kit, been many moons since bank security systems were by-passed....any trick thats been converted is counter-acted by the industry within months. When was the last bank robbed at night?...civi's wont pay the money, they'll tip it up for a 50ft tv screen.

 

Fair one OTR but I'd rather a 7st woman had a fighting chance against a potential rapist, than waiting for the police to arrive to collect DNA, and maybe a corpse. Force multiplier. Shooting someone over a stupid argument doesn't need to be anymore legal than it currently is and it sure won't make a difference to those that will stab, kick, punch, hit with a pan, anyway. It's not going to make a scrap of difference to domestic violence.

 

They didn't turn the system off. They smashed the box off the wall while I was out at work. Security systems do nothing more than make the criminal decide whether it's worth the hassle of triggering it. Same with locks. It's about buying time for someone to intervene... If the police response time is a couple of hours, minimum, then it's just the same as leaving the door open. At least that way you don't have to have the expense of having it all re-keyed...

 

There's nothing that's going to stop the dedicated. It's all about deciding which is the easiest route to commit the crime, and risk reward of such a venture. A smack head isn't going to hitting a bank vault, but burglarizing a house is pretty much fair game. Even the most f****d up junkie can clear a house of valuables before the police arrive.

[oneredtrim 148]

 

That funny time of the month might prove problematic to femme gun holders Chris (besides the age old adage about them having greater fecundity to the race)

 

No disrespect intended but if your neighbours turned you system off so easilly then it likely was'nt much kit, been many moons since bank security systems were by-passed....any trick thats been converted is counter-acted by the industry within months. When was the last bank robbed at night?...civi's wont pay the money, they'll tip it up for a 50ft tv screen.

 

Fair one OTR but I'd rather a 7st woman had a fighting chance against a potential rapist, than waiting for the police to arrive to collect DNA, and maybe a corpse. Force multiplier. Shooting someone over a stupid argument doesn't need to be anymore legal than it currently is and it sure won't make a difference to those that will stab, kick, punch, hit with a pan, anyway. It's not going to make a scrap of difference to domestic violence.

 

They didn't turn the system off. They smashed the box off the wall while I was out at work. Security systems do nothing more than make the criminal decide whether it's worth the hassle of triggering it. Same with locks. It's about buying time for someone to intervene... If the police response time is a couple of hours, minimum, then it's just the same as leaving the door open. At least that way you don't have to have the expense of having it all re-keyed...

 

There's nothing that's going to stop the dedicated. It's all about deciding which is the easiest route to commit the crime, and risk reward of such a venture. A smack head isn't going to hitting a bank vault, but burglarizing a house is pretty much fair game. Even the most f****d up junkie can clear a house of valuables before the police arrive.

 

 

Fair point about the femme/7st/rape Chris

 

If they smashed the box off the wall it was made of polypropalene (refer what i was saying earlier).....and they did what to your slave box???...ya get me?...intruder alarm systems do not simply fall down cause folk have under-spec'd...they need combining with mechanical protection and solid locked internal doors and frames do seem to slow them down enough whilst unaware of being rumbled or filmed just long enough for a result....infact once technical enough the whole pantomine can be flicked to friends live....'psst get a load of this one' style.....besides which a plug overheating and setting it's first spark is capable of being identified very sharply through such a system and letting you know exactly whats going on in your home even ridding you of the headache of getting the fire brigade out (done for ya). There are tricks of the trade to circumnavigate the odd lot lagging behind the calls, thats depends how imaganitive the indivdual installer is (not too disimiliar to folk pretending they've seen a fella with a gun in the garden when useing a fone-thator a code for that can be done electronically....even if the phone lines are chopped)....like i said...some will know the 1/16th of blood and be prepaired to chase it to that end.

[scothunter 12,609]

bollocks. you can get a system that will create one hell ofa din,and lights that will light up the street. chances of it ever been put the test will be slim,cause they will move on to some where less secure.

 

tbh if your houses are prone/liable to be broken into. then maybe you should adress those issues. im just going by some of you lads comments.seems you live in some proper crime ridden areas.