ChrisJones 7,975 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 its not the 7stone women,its the 7stone kid who has a row at school and then goes and helps himself to his grandads arsenal and off he goes to settle scores.or the c**t who wakes up one morning hating the world,or the guys wife whos getting humped by the neighbour, so goes round and shoots him as he answers the door.,but unfortunaetly his kid is sitting eating his cornflakes catches a a stray bullet. you gave me a list of scenarios to think about,there just a few to ponder.its the road to madness imo and like i said its not very common to hear of burglars coming armed. there prob statistics but cba looking oh and born your just pissed off,cause some c**t put your window in,and stole your wheely bin lol Fair comments, scothunter, but I don't think we're going to allow the safety aspect of the current legislation to be completely overturned. I mean how many people take dad's rimfire into school to settle a dispute? A lot less than carry kitchen knives and aren't afraid to use them. Personal protection, IMHO is a right. If anyone wishes me harm I should be allowed to match force with force. If I'm on the wrong end of the victim equation, then I should have the right to use a force multiplier to keep me alive breathing and providing for my family. As should everyone else. The wolves will always prey on the sheep but that doesn't mean the sheep should simply accept their fate because their elected betters, feel it's in the interests of the masses. Owning a home defence weapon should be a privilege not a right....I think they should be granted the same as a shotgun licence......if your a law abiding citizen then you should be granted one.....if your the local drug deal who just got out jail for robbing an old lady or have a high violence record then it's simple you don't get one........ I don't think anyone advocates free guns for all, in Britain. But our crime statistics speak for themselves. If you are the victim you have to wait for the police. It could be several minutes, several hours, even several days but they will attend. Like I said in a previous post, by the time they get there you're already a statistic. The news is littered with stories of people being shot, stabbed, glassed, raped, mugged, murdered by multiple and armed assailant/s but Westminster believe that we shouldn't be allowed to null that threat without violating our would be assailants human rights. I say f**k them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,798 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 no but most people who own shotguns,do so for a particular reason. legalise handguns and every c**t will want one. and there plenty headcases with no criminal records. I don't believe it will be like that though Scott. They would become part of the the FAC process which depending on constabulary can be very strict. Anybody that is anything but an upstanding member of the public would not get near one. Deer stalkers are required to go through the appropriate mentoring or training, it'd make sense for pistol/shotgun owners that own the weapons for defence to have to go through a similar course. At the very least, legalise shotguns for home defense. Nothing more than is already available now. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Right I've got a 5am start in the morning so I am off to load all my guns and take them to bed with me .... Night night ........... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bullx100% 681 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 If a head case wanted a gun it wouldn't take much to travel to Manchester Birmingham London Nottingham to buy one......legal or illegal he/she could still get one Also when granted a shotgun a feo comes to you home to meet you and have a chat and get to no you....obviously if guns were legalised it would be more intense as in back ground check....training....annual check ups and so on ...... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 well i can assure you if someone broke into my house and i was in.im not going to sit there and do nothing. depending on how threatned and how lucky i am will determine which one of us goes to hospital lol but i can quite confidently say,if it did happen when i was going down to confront them,gun wouldnt be foremost in my mind,but i wouldnt be long in knowing,cause the dug would get the first bullet lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 The chances of being robbed when you are laying in your bed is very remote indeed and most burglars want in and out with no noise and maximum stash ... But there are bad people out there that will want to hurt you or your family and there are junkies that whilst off their heads will try and rob you but for me the biggest threat is going to come from the immigrants that are filling this city ... They come from countries where life is worthless and if they break into your house and you catch them they won't think twice about killing you ... If the law changed I would be first in line to by a nice little handgun and double tap anybody that breaks into my house ......... But you are a big strong lad who knows what you are doing........are we going to trust old Auntie Vera to know what shes doing ?.....keeping in mind a lowlife is more likely to choose the easiest target............dangerous ground if you ask me. Cars can be dangerous,so we make people pass tests before they can drive one alone. Why not just make a very stringent set of tests (psychiatric,physical,weapon handling,marksmanship) and background checks etc? Although I'd be happy if they just legalised pepper spray. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 well i can assure you if someone broke into my house and i was in.im not going to sit there and do nothing. depending on how threatned and how lucky i am will determine which one of us goes to hospital lol but i can quite confidently say,if it did happen when i was going down to confront them,gun wouldnt be foremost in my mind,but i wouldnt be long in knowing,cause the dug would get the first bullet lol Understood. I'm sure there isn't anyone here that would sit there and take it. But even if you get to phone the police before the crime is commited you could be cold dead before they arrive. What if you're out and your wife/girlfriend is at home alone? We've established that these people prey on the weak so what is wrong with equally, even surpassing, these odds? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 a lot of things could happen mate. i tend no to think about that. deal with it if and when it ever happens. hopefully it wont. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tiercel 6,986 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 no but most people who own shotguns,do so for a particular reason. legalise handguns and every c**t will want one. and there plenty headcases with no criminal records. no but most people who own shotguns,do so for a particular reason. legalise handguns and every c**t will want one. and there plenty headcases with no criminal records. And herein lies the problem with this country. Before the ban on hand guns not everyone wanted one and not everyone owned one. And 99.99999 of the people who owned one did so for a genuine reason. For policical reasons the goverment of the day decided that this was a chance to exercise more control over the populace and on the pretext of saving lives banned the guns. The actual statistic are there for everyone to see. Q. Did it stop guns falling into the arms of criminals? An no. Q. Has it reduced gun crime? An. no. A totally ineffectual piece of legistation that has no value other than keeping the populace in check. TC 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,798 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 well i can assure you if someone broke into my house and i was in.im not going to sit there and do nothing. depending on how threatned and how lucky i am will determine which one of us goes to hospital lol but i can quite confidently say,if it did happen when i was going down to confront them,gun wouldnt be foremost in my mind,but i wouldnt be long in knowing,cause the dug would get the first bullet lol So you would prefer to engage an intruder with either bat/knife or just ya bare hands, rather than give yourself a clear power superiority by arming yourself with a firearm? Given the choice, I'd be picking up a legally owned CQB 12 gauge or pistol. The greater my level of superiority in a violent situation the happier and safer I'll be. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danw 1,748 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 How many on here have suffered a home invasion?do the statistics warrant arming the public? people need to think long and hard about the consequences and the responsibility of being armed in the home,for those of us with children just how do you gain access to the firearm in due time should an incident occur and yet prevent access by the kids, having a gun for self defence is no use if its locked in a cabinet.how many folks truly want to spend their life carrying a pistol it sounds great to some (it isnt at all) reality is you become complacent and the gun stays locked in that cabinet and once again is no use in a confrontation. To see the consequence of owning SD firearms folks should look to the usa to see how many relatives are shot by mistake, how many kids gain access to their familys guns and go to school with them, how many innocent people get shot and how many wifes top their husband for not putting the shitter seat back down. Now which to use 12shot pump or glock 17 decisions,decisions LOL 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danw 1,748 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 no but most people who own shotguns,do so for a particular reason. legalise handguns and every c**t will want one. and there plenty headcases with no criminal records. no but most people who own shotguns,do so for a particular reason. legalise handguns and every c**t will want one. and there plenty headcases with no criminal records. And herein lies the problem with this country. Before the ban on hand guns not everyone wanted one and not everyone owned one. And 99.99999 of the people who owned one did so for a genuine reason. For policical reasons the goverment of the day decided that this was a chance to exercise more control over the populace and on the pretext of saving lives banned the guns. The actual statistic are there for everyone to see. Q. Did it stop guns falling into the arms of criminals? An no. Q. Has it reduced gun crime? An. no. A totally ineffectual piece of legistation that has no value other than keeping the populace in check. TC Even before the ban self defence was not a "good reason" to posses a handgun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nik_B 3,790 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Even before the ban self defence was not a "good reason" to posses a handgun. Since the 1937 act self defense was not a good enough reason to hold a firearm. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 why is a gun treated any different to a knife a hammer, all can be used to kill or maim, but all are just inanimate objects without intent of use. its the situation not the weapon that's at fault. treat the illness in society that causes the intent and we can all sleep tight. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danw 1,748 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 the next question has to be if you arm the populous do you arm the police Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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