Outlaw Pete 2,224 Posted January 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 I think one of the Scandinavian countries allows people to keep a firearm after national service as part of the national defence strategy, although I may be wrong on that I believe it's Switzerland, isn't it? Something along the lines of every household with a grown male in it also has his military rifle. Lest any f**ker comes creeping across their borders ..... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
twymanc 135 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 emmm well how do i put it! its a lose lose situation, if an intruder was to get into your home and threaten the lives of your loved ones you aint gonna just let it happen however if you defend yourself and your family by whatever means necessary youd be looking at a long stretch leaving your wife and kids to fend for themselves, no hubby no daddy and why because you wanted to protect the very thing you trasure the most! messed up!!! I'd take my chances with the judge having a good day and defend my family by ANY means necessary and ill second that just saying its a messed up world were living in when you could possibly go to prison for protecting your family! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,458 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 I wouldn't trust half the fuckwits in this country to cut about with a toothpick never mind a Glock !!! 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,798 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 I wouldn't trust half the fuckwits in this country to cut about with a toothpick never mind a Glock !!! Interestingly there are Glocks owned on FAC by civilians in this country right now. I don't see how it's anymore alright for someone to 'cut about' with a .300 win mag, as they are right now, but not a 9mm? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bullx100% 681 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 I'd vote to be able to use a gun as self defense but only home defence so that the gun is only aloud at home/inside the house not in the back or front garden...if someone breaks into your home then there fully prepared to hurt you or kill you for your items in your house and I believe that you should be able to arm your self to defend your self but if the burglar tried to flee when I gave thm a verbal warning that I was armed then I'd let them flee....I wouldn't chase them out on to the front emptying every bullet in the gun while I chased them like a crazed American would lol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
charlie caller 3,654 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 emmm well how do i put it! its a lose lose situation, if an intruder was to get into your home and threaten the lives of your loved ones you aint gonna just let it happen however if you defend yourself and your family by whatever means necessary youd be looking at a long stretch leaving your wife and kids to fend for themselves, no hubby no daddy and why because you wanted to protect the very thing you trasure the most! messed up!!! I'd take my chances with the judge having a good day and defend my family by ANY means necessary Better be tried by 12 than carried by 6. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,318 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Not for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 emmm well how do i put it! its a lose lose situation, if an intruder was to get into your home and threaten the lives of your loved ones you aint gonna just let it happen however if you defend yourself and your family by whatever means necessary youd be looking at a long stretch leaving your wife and kids to fend for themselves, no hubby no daddy and why because you wanted to protect the very thing you trasure the most! messed up!!! The current law is indeed ridiculous. Self defence is a right not a privelege. I did read it and it made sense to me, the handgun ban was a knee jerk reaction at the time, if a criminal wants a gun they will get one, full stop. Also having high gun ownership in a country does not automatically mean a higher gun crime rate. Canada and the USA are prime examples of the differences between possibilities. I think one of the Scandinavian countries allows people to keep a firearm after national service as part of the national defence strategy, although I may be wrong on that If I may, here. The highest violent crime rates, in the US, are the places where there are the most restrictions on firearms. In 82' Kennesaw, in Georgia, passed a law making it mandatory for all heads of household to have at least one firearm in the house. Residential burglary dropped a staggering 89% and Kennesaw's violent crime rate is still 85% lower than the national average. I know the internet is home to the bullshit statistic, but that one is researchable as is the data suggesting that Britains violent crime, per capita, is five times higher than the US. Britain being 2000+, per 100,000 people, the US being only 450+ Again the crime is concentrated around the population density of the cities but look how many people are penned into these areas. The US gun crime statistics make international news but when you figure that number, against the fact that there are over 270 million guns in the US it's the numbers that aren't being used illegally that make it interesting. How many people here see beatings and stabbings, on a Friday night out in the city? Switzerland has mandatory gun ownership yet has the lowest murder rate in Europe. Coincidence? I wouldn't trust half the fuckwits in this country to cut about with a toothpick never mind a Glock !!! True but if there was a system to allow proficiency, training etc, could that theoretically bring us in line with the Swiss model? They don't just have to own guns they also have to be proficient in their use and maintenance. How many crimes are commited by legal gun owners as opposed to the illegal user? When Call Of Duty is the only available training it's probably not the best model for civilian marksmanship! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 The chances of being robbed when you are laying in your bed is very remote indeed and most burglars want in and out with no noise and maximum stash ... But there are bad people out there that will want to hurt you or your family and there are junkies that whilst off their heads will try and rob you but for me the biggest threat is going to come from the immigrants that are filling this city ... They come from countries where life is worthless and if they break into your house and you catch them they won't think twice about killing you ... If the law changed I would be first in line to by a nice little handgun and double tap anybody that breaks into my house ......... 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frann 882 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 What Wilf said. Ive lived in Texas, where attitudes are very liberal with firearms. Horrifies me if it was like that here. Just thinking about half the idiots in UK , full of Call of Duty fantasies, with guns? F**k that. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,318 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 The chances of being robbed when you are laying in your bed is very remote indeed and most burglars want in and out with no noise and maximum stash ... But there are bad people out there that will want to hurt you or your family and there are junkies that whilst off their heads will try and rob you but for me the biggest threat is going to come from the immigrants that are filling this city ... They come from countries where life is worthless and if they break into your house and you catch them they won't think twice about killing you ... If the law changed I would be first in line to by a nice little handgun and double tap anybody that breaks into my house ......... But you are a big strong lad who knows what you are doing........are we going to trust old Auntie Vera to know what shes doing ?.....keeping in mind a lowlife is more likely to choose the easiest target............dangerous ground if you ask me. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 But you are a big strong lad who knows what you are doing........are we going to trust old Auntie Vera to know what shes doing ?.....keeping in mind a lowlife is more likely to choose the easiest target............dangerous ground if you ask me. With that in mind, what should Auntie Vera do? The police are going to turn up after the event. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 The chances of being robbed when you are laying in your bed is very remote indeed and most burglars want in and out with no noise and maximum stash ... But there are bad people out there that will want to hurt you or your family and there are junkies that whilst off their heads will try and rob you but for me the biggest threat is going to come from the immigrants that are filling this city ... They come from countries where life is worthless and if they break into your house and you catch them they won't think twice about killing you ... If the law changed I would be first in line to by a nice little handgun and double tap anybody that breaks into my house ......... But you are a big strong lad who knows what you are doing........are we going to trust old Auntie Vera to know what shes doing ?.....keeping in mind a lowlife is more likely to choose the easiest target............dangerous ground if you ask me. Ok what about a compulsory course in basic weapon handling that you have to pass before you can buy and own a weapon for home protection ......... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 couldnt care less how many junkies got shot,although most junkies i know of,would sell any gun they ever got there hands on. it would only be a matter of time before some bam takes one to school. someone said about a knee jerk reaction to dunblane. well its something we will never ever know,but the ban on handguns after that could have stopped another incident like that one.so if it saved one life then keep it in place.no one in there right mind wants laxed gun laws surely. I was astounded after dunblane and it came it to light that ordinary joe bloggs had hanguns in there homes. trully i was like WTF our cops arent even allowed shooters.lol no problem withj shotguns (used to have a few) or hunting rifles,just think there no reason in the uk right now that would warrant arming the nation. imagine all thoise rioters cpl year back running about with handguns.does not bear thinking about. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) couldnt care less how many junkies got shot,although most junkies i know of,would sell any gun they ever got there hands on. it would only be a matter of time before some bam takes one to school. someone said about a knee jerk reaction to dunblane. well its something we will never ever know,but the ban on handguns after that could have stopped another incident like that one.so if it saved one life then keep it in place.no one in there right mind wants laxed gun laws surely. I was astounded after dunblane and it came it to light that ordinary joe bloggs had hanguns in there homes. trully i was like WTF our cops arent even allowed shooters.lol no problem withj shotguns (used to have a few) or hunting rifles,just think there no reason in the uk right now that would warrant arming the nation. imagine all thoise rioters cpl year back running about with handguns.does not bear thinking about. Some of them were. Would so much property have been damaged if British citizens were allowed to legally defend themselves, meeting force with force? EDIT: Why has the Dunblane inquiry evidence been locked away for 100 years? Edited January 16, 2014 by ChrisJones 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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