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Would you say that I have 'big gaps' in my pest control knowledge Deker?

 

The thing is, I've used AP for about 25 years and I've never seen it effectively used against moles. On big agricultural jobs I often trap 2-3 moles for the cost of one tube of AP and my method is proven to kill moles.

 

On smaller garden type jobs it has the disadvantage of having to use a whole tube at a time, and with such variable results, and usually requiring at least one follow up visit, trapping is not only safer, but also more cost effective.

 

While I accept and agree that AP has a place as a tool for fumigation of rodents and rabbits, I would never argue that it's either more effective or cheaper than trapping moles.

 

Just my opinion.

You are of course very welcome to your opinion and your experiences, as I said, it is another tool and can be effective in cost and usage over more traditional methods. Whilst it remains available it will continue to be an option if best suited for any site I find.

 

Legislation is making that harder to justify, and so is the weather at the moment!

 

Even the need to use a whole flask on a manicured garden lawn is a cheaper option than a second site visit, and using that much will work!

 

You and anyone else can use what you like, that doesn't mean it hasn't got a place. :thumbs:

 

" Even the need to use a whole flask on a manicured garden lawn is a cheaper option than a second site visit,and using that much will work! " Intrigues me that one.Id appreciate it if you could tell me, what your bill would roughly work out at, (in this situation) for the customer.I can then tell you, if i agree.

 

You offered this, in response to one of matts points.You seem to be implying that it would be a "cheaper option",compared to using traps. since you would not disclose what you were likely to charge, i would put it to you,that this would not necessarily, be the case.

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So far I’ve never got involved with using phosphine, I’m of the opinion gassing moles lacks a certain skill and fineness.   But I do understand that it’s used it to control rabbits/rats on farms, pa

Oh dear, which part of my post did you find confusing?

Your correct there mate, im still learning.............but in my humble opinion, aluminium phosphide is still a poor method, against MOLES...........

 

"Even the need to use a whole flask on a manicured garden lawn is a cheaper option than a second site visit,and using that much will work! " Intrigues me that one.Id appreciate it if you could tell me, what your bill would roughly work out at, (in this situation) for the customer.I can then tell you, if i agree.

Do you do this for fun, are you suggesting you charge less than the cost of a flask of Phostoxin or Talunex per site visit? I run a business, not a charity.

 

I don't give a hoot if you agree or not, I am simply amazed at the narrow minded view here, this is another option, it works and it is cost effective on the right site. I look at each job and access the best overall way forward, I do not write off any possible treatment out of hand, if that means using Phostoxin so be it.

 

If you don't want to use it then don't, have I ever told you to?

 

I'm not sure what your agenda is here but you are obviously not a fan of AP, perhaps you should go back to my original #20 and try and read it again objectively.

 

Im really surprised what youve put to me here (first sentence) Im a bit embarrassed for you,actually !

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I think the point he is making Mr Deker is your post seems to suggest you would charge for a second visit if the first application of AP didn't work? Or maybe you charge enough that a couple of flasks is covered by the first charge?

 

Personally I guarantee my treatments and don't charge extra if it doesn't work. But of course with a trap I always get my mole.

Some more interesting points,from Walshie here,that perhaps, you may want to digest further. LOL

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C'mon now lads,..."Which is best, Phostoxin or Traps"...only one way to find out....

 

 

FIGHT.... :laugh:

 

Facts are, being a self employed Pester, is all about survival,..'you do what you have to do'.....end of story.. :thumbs:

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May I once again refer you to my first post on this matter, (#20) and may I one again ask which part of that you find confusing, I am not and never have entered into any debate as to which is best, both have a place, I simply refuse to write off Gas treatments out of hand as you appear to.

 

The point you seem to be repeatedly missing is that I retain an open mind and survey each job, then move forward in the most appropriate way, you are suggesting there is no other way!

 

You are wrong.

 

I have NEVER said gas is better than other methods, read my first/other posts again. It is simply another option that can be cost effective and efficient and may be better suited for some jobs. As I have also pointed out my mole trap man is far better than me at trapping but has no interest in learning anything about gas, I have been on several jobs with him when one or more moles have been caught before we even leave site, that's why I employ him, he is excellent at trapping. But trapping does not always best suit the job or client!

 

So, just what is your point here?

 

And I charge for the job, not as many additional visits as I can twist a client into!

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May I once again refer you to my first post on this matter, (#20) and may I one again ask which part of that you find confusing, I am not and never have entered into any debate as to which is best, both have a place, I simply refuse to write off Gas treatments out of hand as you appear to.

 

The point you seem to be repeatedly missing is that I retain an open mind and survey each job, then move forward in the most appropriate way, you are suggesting there is no other way!

 

You are wrong.

 

I have NEVER said gas is better than other methods, read my first/other posts again. It is simply another option that can be cost effective and efficient and may be better suited for some jobs. As I have also pointed out my mole trap man is far better than me at trapping but has no interest in learning anything about gas, I have been on several jobs with him when one or more moles have been caught before we even leave site, that's why I employ him, he is excellent at trapping. But trapping does not always best suit the job or client!

 

So, just what is your point here?

 

And I charge for the job, not as many additional visits as I can twist a client into!

The point is your banging on about how " cost effective " and "efficient" the gas is, for the right situation,etc.But ive actually learned from a previous post of yours,that you DONT actually have ANY EXPERIENCE with it ! In fact its that useful to you,that you actually employ a MOLE TRAPPER.Whats up ? are you just repeating,some of the crap you heard from the instructor,on the course.Cause alot of us Know better.......................LOL

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:thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:

 

A lot of people with all experience levels (or none) read these pages! :thumbs:

 

I am not well up on the traps, I am better with the gas than I am with the traps, I have a very good mole trap man and mole trapping is without doubt an area I am personally weak in.

 

I did the course about 2.5 years ago, whilst everyone was paranoid about the Ali in the run up to the Olympics, I have had little cause to use the stuff either before or since .

 

But on the right site, in the right conditions it is a one time, go home and forget it treatment and as such it can be cost effective! ...and I'm sure with a little more thought they could have made one applicator to deal with both, (but that's business I guess) I only use Phostoxin, it does what I want when I need it. :thumbs:

This line is a classic ! " But on the right site,in the right conditions it is a one time,go home and forget it treatment and as such it can be cost effective ! "

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:thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:

 

A lot of people with all experience levels (or none) read these pages! :thumbs:

 

I am not well up on the traps, I am better with the gas than I am with the traps, I have a very good mole trap man and mole trapping is without doubt an area I am personally weak in.

 

I did the course about 2.5 years ago, whilst everyone was paranoid about the Ali in the run up to the Olympics, I have had little cause to use the stuff either before or since .

 

But on the right site, in the right conditions it is a one time, go home and forget it treatment and as such it can be cost effective! ...and I'm sure with a little more thought they could have made one applicator to deal with both, (but that's business I guess) I only use Phostoxin, it does what I want when I need it. :thumbs:

This line is a classic ! " But on the right site,in the right conditions it is a one time,go home and forget it treatment and as such it can be cost effective ! "

 

" i did the course about 2.5 years ago, blah blah, I HAVE HAD LITTLE CAUSE TO USE THE STUFF EITHER BEFORE OR SINCE. "

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Part of me wants to say,

 

"AP is fantastic for moles; carry on and use it whenever you can."

 

That way those of us who use the cheaper, more effective option of trapping moles will always have business from the AP failures...

 

Crack on lads and lasses; gas away!

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So you and a few others don't like it, it doesn't work for you, is expensive and has no place, I have no business using it, I don't know what I am talking about and should withdraw it as an option! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

I am more than fed up banging my head against a brick wall here. Which part have you failed to understand?

 

You appear to have a completely closed mind and refuse to acknowledge any of my comments or accept anything but traditional mole catching methods, if you want to continue with traditional methods where have I ever told you not too, kindly do not suggest you know all of my work/clients and gas has no place.

 

I don't have much cause to use the stuff, whenever have I ever said I did, and I do employ mole trappers, several, one who is exceptional, I also employ one guy who uses both methods. I provide one of the widest range of pest control services/options in the country. It has a place and does find work, that is the only point I have ever tried to make, you refuse to accept that, fine, use what you like but I obviously have a wider variety of sites than you because it has proved the treatment of choice in several for me and my clients.

 

I have repeated my point many times, there is no point in repeating it again, you have failed to grasp the situation so far, it is apparent repeating it again will be pointless.

 

I provide a complete service and deliver the most appropriate client/job solution.

 

You stick with your traditional methods, thats fine with me!

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I provide a complete service and deliver the most appropriate client/job solution.

I hate to say it; but obviously not....

 

While I accept that AP is a tool, just one of many that needs to be kept available, I'll never accept that gassing moles is in any way, shape, or form, more appropriate than trapping.

 

Why?

 

Because I don't like 'toxic' products? Because it's dangerous to pets and non targets? Because it's expensive to use?

 

No.

 

Because it is so ineffective against moles.

 

That is my opinion, based on extensive use over a long period of time.

 

As I said earlier, I'm quite happy that so many people still plug away at moles with AP. Their frequent failures just create more work for the much more effective trapper.....

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So you and a few others don't like it, it doesn't work for you, is expensive and has no place, I have no business using it, I don't know what I am talking about and should withdraw it as an option! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

I am more than fed up banging my head against a brick wall here. Which part have you failed to understand?

 

You appear to have a completely closed mind and refuse to acknowledge any of my comments or accept anything but traditional mole catching methods, if you want to continue with traditional methods where have I ever told you not too, kindly do not suggest you know all of my work/clients and gas has no place.

 

I don't have much cause to use the stuff, whenever have I ever said I did, and I do employ mole trappers, several, one who is exceptional, I also employ one guy who uses both methods. I provide one of the widest range of pest control services/options in the country. It has a place and does find work, that is the only point I have ever tried to make, you refuse to accept that, fine, use what you like but I obviously have a wider variety of sites than you because it has proved the treatment of choice in several for me and my clients.

 

I have repeated my point many times, there is no point in repeating it again, you have failed to grasp the situation so far, it is apparent repeating it again will be pointless.

 

I provide a complete service and deliver the most appropriate client/job solution.

 

You stick with your traditional methods, thats fine with me!

Look ,we are probably all getting fed up with this now.So if it makes you happy,i will tell you what you want to hear, your right ,and im wrong,and i know feck all...............LOL So in the meantime ( you being the owner and all) you should get out on the job more,instead of sitting in the office all day ! ......ha-ha-ha. (only joking)

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