earth-thrower 493 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 It can be cost effective and efficient if you do it right, but it isn't a replacement for more traditional methods (which are commonly not cost effective or efficient if you don't know what you are doing either!) Control/transport/storage/use of Phostoxin/Talunex can also be a big issue. It is just another tool in the pest control box, which I don't expect is getting much use at the moment with most of the country flooded! By ' doing it right ' whats your approach ? emptying half a flask of phostoxin,per mole.Or maybe a full flask ! If i tell a farmer,i can do his moles with either gas or traps,no prizes for guessing,what methods going to work out better ,price wise ,for him....... Oh dear, which part of my post did you find confusing? Forgive me mate,but the first sentence of your post,was only, " stating the obvious "...........(hardly worth saying !) Funny , and here was me thinking , it was YOU that didnt fully understand..........(just didnt want to be rude !) lol Im sure some of the members on here,would be grateful,if you wanted to disclose some hints and tips,for successful application of the stuff,against moles.Then, a few ' pats on the back ' or 'brownie points ' are sure to follow..........lol Quote Link to post
earth-thrower 493 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 :thumbs: A lot of people with all experience levels (or none) read these pages! I am not well up on the traps, I am better with the gas than I am with the traps, I have a very good mole trap man and mole trapping is without doubt an area I am personally weak in. I did the course about 2.5 years ago, whilst everyone was paranoid about the Ali in the run up to the Olympics, I have had little cause to use the stuff either before or since . But on the right site, in the right conditions it is a one time, go home and forget it treatment and as such it can be cost effective! ...and I'm sure with a little more thought they could have made one applicator to deal with both, (but that's business I guess) I only use Phostoxin, it does what I want when I need it. Genuinely, no disrespect , but youve just revealed all i need to know..........(and i apologise for my last post !) I rest my case.............. Quote Link to post
earth-thrower 493 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 :thumbs: A lot of people with all experience levels (or none) read these pages! I am not well up on the traps, I am better with the gas than I am with the traps, I have a very good mole trap man and mole trapping is without doubt an area I am personally weak in. I did the course about 2.5 years ago, whilst everyone was paranoid about the Ali in the run up to the Olympics, I have had little cause to use the stuff either before or since . But on the right site, in the right conditions it is a one time, go home and forget it treatment and as such it can be cost effective! ...and I'm sure with a little more thought they could have made one applicator to deal with both, (but that's business I guess) I only use Phostoxin, it does what I want when I need it. Genuinely, no disrespect , but youve just revealed all i need to know..........(and i apologise for my last post !) I rest my case.............. Hold on ...........you dont happen to be an MD ,of a commercial pest control co, are you ? ( Im sorry mate ,im just being an arse now ! ) lol Quote Link to post
Deker 3,478 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 No disrespect to you, but anyone who glibly writes off the gas as useless and not cost effective against traditional methods has a lot to learn and a big gap in their pest control knowledge! I rest my case! Quote Link to post
Deker 3,478 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 :thumbs: A lot of people with all experience levels (or none) read these pages! I am not well up on the traps, I am better with the gas than I am with the traps, I have a very good mole trap man and mole trapping is without doubt an area I am personally weak in. I did the course about 2.5 years ago, whilst everyone was paranoid about the Ali in the run up to the Olympics, I have had little cause to use the stuff either before or since . But on the right site, in the right conditions it is a one time, go home and forget it treatment and as such it can be cost effective! ...and I'm sure with a little more thought they could have made one applicator to deal with both, (but that's business I guess) I only use Phostoxin, it does what I want when I need it. Genuinely, no disrespect , but youve just revealed all i need to know..........(and i apologise for my last post !) I rest my case.............. Hold on ...........you dont happen to be an MD ,of a commercial pest control co, are you ? ( Im sorry mate ,im just being an arse now ! ) lol Where is this going? I am more than bored, no I'm not the MD, I'm the owner, and whilst I can do almost everything very well there are areas I have staff better than me! Quote Link to post
earth-thrower 493 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) :thumbs: A lot of people with all experience levels (or none) read these pages! I am not well up on the traps, I am better with the gas than I am with the traps, I have a very good mole trap man and mole trapping is without doubt an area I am personally weak in. I did the course about 2.5 years ago, whilst everyone was paranoid about the Ali in the run up to the Olympics, I have had little cause to use the stuff either before or since . No disrespect to you, but anyone who glibly writes off the gas as useless and not cost effective against traditional methods has a lot to learn and a big gap in their pest control knowledge! I rest my case! But on the right site, in the right conditions it is a one time, go home and forget it treatment and as such it can be cost effective! ...and I'm sure with a little more thought they could have made one applicator to deal with both, (but that's business I guess) I only use Phostoxin, it does what I want when I need it. Genuinely, no disrespect , but youve just revealed all i need to know..........(and i apologise for my last post !) I rest my case.............. Hold on ...........you dont happen to be an MD ,of a commercial pest control co, are you ? ( Im sorry mate ,im just being an arse now ! ) lol No disrespect to you, but anyone who glibly writes off the gas as useless and not cost effective against traditional methods has a lot to learn and a big gap in their pest control knowledge! I rest my case! Your correct there mate, im still learning.............but in my humble opinion, aluminium phosphide is still a poor method, against MOLES........... Edited January 20, 2014 by earth-thrower 1 Quote Link to post
Deker 3,478 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 :thumbs: A lot of people with all experience levels (or none) read these pages! I am not well up on the traps, I am better with the gas than I am with the traps, I have a very good mole trap man and mole trapping is without doubt an area I am personally weak in. I did the course about 2.5 years ago, whilst everyone was paranoid about the Ali in the run up to the Olympics, I have had little cause to use the stuff either before or since . No disrespect to you, but anyone who glibly writes off the gas as useless and not cost effective against traditional methods has a lot to learn and a big gap in their pest control knowledge! I rest my case! But on the right site, in the right conditions it is a one time, go home and forget it treatment and as such it can be cost effective! ...and I'm sure with a little more thought they could have made one applicator to deal with both, (but that's business I guess) I only use Phostoxin, it does what I want when I need it. Genuinely, no disrespect , but youve just revealed all i need to know..........(and i apologise for my last post !) I rest my case.............. Hold on ...........you dont happen to be an MD ,of a commercial pest control co, are you ? ( Im sorry mate ,im just being an arse now ! ) lol No disrespect to you, but anyone who glibly writes off the gas as useless and not cost effective against traditional methods has a lot to learn and a big gap in their pest control knowledge! I rest my case! Your correct there mate, im still learning.............but in my humble opinion, aluminium phosphide is still a poor method, for MOLES........... It is simply another method as I said post one, I am in awe of my man who looks at a site, puts a trap in and commonly has a mole within a few minutes, he doesn't have a clue and has no desire to learn about gas. Nothing stands still, gas has a place! Quote Link to post
earth-thrower 493 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 "control/transport/storage/use of phostoxin/talunex can also be a big issue " interesting point there, reminds me of the farmer, carrying around a couple of flasks,in the FOOTWELL of his tractor ! I remember him stopping and saying, " ive got this stuff ,for moles" he then produced a well dented flask, and says "oh, i must have crushed this one with the foot pedal !!! " unbelievable............... Quote Link to post
earth-thrower 493 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 "control/transport/storage/use of phostoxin/talunex can also be a big issue " interesting point there, reminds me of the farmer, carrying around a couple of flasks,in the FOOTWELL of his tractor ! I remember him stopping and saying, " ive got this stuff ,for moles" he then produced a well dented flask, and says "oh, i must have crushed this one with the foot pedal !!! " unbelievable............... Another farmer stored, half a dozen phostoxin flasks,on the top shelf, of a kitchen cupboard ! Quote Link to post
Matt 160 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Would you say that I have 'big gaps' in my pest control knowledge Deker? The thing is, I've used AP for about 25 years and I've never seen it effectively used against moles. On big agricultural jobs I often trap 2-3 moles for the cost of one tube of AP and my method is proven to kill moles. On smaller garden type jobs it has the disadvantage of having to use a whole tube at a time, and with such variable results, and usually requiring at least one follow up visit, trapping is not only safer, but also more cost effective. While I accept and agree that AP has a place as a tool for fumigation of rodents and rabbits, I would never argue that it's either more effective or cheaper than trapping moles. Just my opinion. Quote Link to post
Deker 3,478 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) Would you say that I have 'big gaps' in my pest control knowledge Deker? The thing is, I've used AP for about 25 years and I've never seen it effectively used against moles. On big agricultural jobs I often trap 2-3 moles for the cost of one tube of AP and my method is proven to kill moles. On smaller garden type jobs it has the disadvantage of having to use a whole tube at a time, and with such variable results, and usually requiring at least one follow up visit, trapping is not only safer, but also more cost effective. While I accept and agree that AP has a place as a tool for fumigation of rodents and rabbits, I would never argue that it's either more effective or cheaper than trapping moles. Just my opinion. You are of course very welcome to your opinion and your experiences, as I said, it is another tool and can be effective in cost and usage over more traditional methods. Whilst it remains available it will continue to be an option if best suited for any site I find. Legislation is making that harder to justify, and so is the weather at the moment! Even the need to use a whole flask on a manicured garden lawn is a cheaper option than a second site visit, and using that much will work! You and anyone else can use what you like, that doesn't mean it hasn't got a place. Edited January 20, 2014 by Deker Quote Link to post
earth-thrower 493 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Would you say that I have 'big gaps' in my pest control knowledge Deker? The thing is, I've used AP for about 25 years and I've never seen it effectively used against moles. On big agricultural jobs I often trap 2-3 moles for the cost of one tube of AP and my method is proven to kill moles. On smaller garden type jobs it has the disadvantage of having to use a whole tube at a time, and with such variable results, and usually requiring at least one follow up visit, trapping is not only safer, but also more cost effective. While I accept and agree that AP has a place as a tool for fumigation of rodents and rabbits, I would never argue that it's either more effective or cheaper than trapping moles. Just my opinion. Would you say that I have 'big gaps' in my pest control knowledge Deker? The thing is, I've used AP for about 25 years and I've never seen it effectively used against moles. On big agricultural jobs I often trap 2-3 moles for the cost of one tube of AP and my method is proven to kill moles. On smaller garden type jobs it has the disadvantage of having to use a whole tube at a time, and with such variable results, and usually requiring at least one follow up visit, trapping is not only safer, but also more cost effective. While I accept and agree that AP has a place as a tool for fumigation of rodents and rabbits, I would never argue that it's either more effective or cheaper than trapping moles. Just my opinion. Well said, Matt. (dont think anyone could have expressed it better !) Quote Link to post
earth-thrower 493 Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Would you say that I have 'big gaps' in my pest control knowledge Deker? The thing is, I've used AP for about 25 years and I've never seen it effectively used against moles. On big agricultural jobs I often trap 2-3 moles for the cost of one tube of AP and my method is proven to kill moles. On smaller garden type jobs it has the disadvantage of having to use a whole tube at a time, and with such variable results, and usually requiring at least one follow up visit, trapping is not only safer, but also more cost effective. While I accept and agree that AP has a place as a tool for fumigation of rodents and rabbits, I would never argue that it's either more effective or cheaper than trapping moles. Just my opinion. You are of course very welcome to your opinion and your experiences, as I said, it is another tool and can be effective in cost and usage over more traditional methods. Whilst it remains available it will continue to be an option if best suited for any site I find. Legislation is making that harder to justify, and so is the weather at the moment! Even the need to use a whole flask on a manicured garden lawn is a cheaper option than a second site visit, and using that much will work! You and anyone else can use what you like, that doesn't mean it hasn't got a place. " Even the need to use a whole flask on a manicured garden lawn is a cheaper option than a second site visit,and using that much will work! " Intrigues me that one.Id appreciate it if you could tell me, what your bill would roughly work out at, (in this situation) for the customer.I can then tell you, if i agree. 1 Quote Link to post
Deker 3,478 Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) "Even the need to use a whole flask on a manicured garden lawn is a cheaper option than a second site visit,and using that much will work! " Intrigues me that one.Id appreciate it if you could tell me, what your bill would roughly work out at, (in this situation) for the customer.I can then tell you, if i agree. Do you do this for fun, are you suggesting you charge less than the cost of a flask of Phostoxin or Talunex per site visit? I run a business, not a charity. I don't give a hoot if you agree or not, I am simply amazed at the narrow minded view here, this is another option, it works and it is cost effective on the right site. I look at each job and access the best overall way forward, I do not write off any possible treatment out of hand, if that means using Phostoxin so be it. If you don't want to use it then don't, have I ever told you to? I'm not sure what your agenda is here but you are obviously not a fan of AP, perhaps you should go back to my original #20 and try and read it again objectively. Edited January 22, 2014 by Deker Quote Link to post
StephenWalsh 73 Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) I think the point he is making Mr Deker is your post seems to suggest you would charge for a second visit if the first application of AP didn't work? Or maybe you charge enough that a couple of flasks is covered by the first charge? Personally I guarantee my treatments and don't charge extra if it doesn't work. But of course with a trap I always get my mole... Edited January 22, 2014 by StephenWalsh Quote Link to post
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