Squirrel_Basher 17,102 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Facts to me are what my physical sense tell me are real .Nothing more nothing less.Your physical senses can't tell you that a single water molecule contains one atom of oxygen and two atoms of hydrogen, are you saying that's bollocks? You seem to have a pretty narrow view on things with that statement.. Read the whole thread mate but not swayed ......................anyway answer my question below My intellect tells me this is probable,does yours tell you there is something else out there greater than ourselves if so describe it to me Have you actually read the whole thread mate, or have you just came in and skipped right to the end of it? You seem to be making assumptions, that's all.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,843 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Strange thing really I do not have faith I do not understand it at all but I do know that at times I have sought peace and some where to think clearly and for some reason I find it in a church can't understand it at all but when I sit in the local church I feel totally relaxed and well at peace helps me have clarity of mind yet I don't' pray or worship makes no sense to me Funny that mate, I spent a bit of time sitting in the grounds of the local cathedral when my head was a bit of a shed. Nothing religious but a good place to find a bit of direction I found. That's not me being touched by God, just me needing a calming place to work my thoughts out. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Funny that mate, I spent a bit of time sitting in the grounds of the local cathedral when my head was a bit of a shed. Nothing religious but a good place to find a bit of direction I found. That's not me being touched by God, just me needing a calming place to work my thoughts out. I have the same level of zen trying to f**k around fly fishing! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Squirrel_Basher 17,102 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Facts to me are what my physical sense tell me are real .Nothing more nothing less.Your physical senses can't tell you that a single water molecule contains one atom of oxygen and two atoms of hydrogen, are you saying that's bollocks? You seem to have a pretty narrow view on things with that statement.. Do i sound like a man to make assumptions mate .Im very clear in life about whats happening to me and mine Read the whole thread mate but not swayed ......................anyway answer my question below My intellect tells me this is probable,does yours tell you there is something else out there greater than ourselves if so describe it to me Have you actually read the whole thread mate, or have you just came in and skipped right to the end of it? You seem to be making assumptions, that's all.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Squirrel_Basher 17,102 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Peace and quiet wherever you find it is exactly that and nothing more . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,843 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Funny that mate, I spent a bit of time sitting in the grounds of the local cathedral when my head was a bit of a shed. Nothing religious but a good place to find a bit of direction I found. That's not me being touched by God, just me needing a calming place to work my thoughts out. I have the same level of zen trying to f**k around fly fishing! There's something about churches, cathedrals, minsters & abbeys though, they're naturally peaceful places and the grandeur and architecture is sort of pleasing to the eye and soul. Certainly spiritual places.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Facts to me are what my physical sense tell me are real .Nothing more nothing less.Your physical senses can't tell you that a single water molecule contains one atom of oxygen and two atoms of hydrogen, are you saying that's bollocks? You seem to have a pretty narrow view on things with that statement.. Do i sound like a man to make assumptions mate .Im very clear in life about whats happening to me and mine Read the whole thread mate but not swayed ......................anyway answer my question below My intellect tells me this is probable,does yours tell you there is something else out there greater than ourselves if so describe it to me Have you actually read the whole thread mate, or have you just came in and skipped right to the end of it? You seem to be making assumptions, that's all.. I meant making assumptions on what you think my views were when you asked me to describe that was something greater than us out there.. I believe that life evolves and I have said so a few times on this thread.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 There's something about churches, cathedrals, minsters & abbeys though, they're naturally peaceful places and the grandeur and architecture is sort of pleasing to the eye and soul. Certainly spiritual places.... I can't argue with that, but I have to say time in the mountains works better for me. So question... These spiritual places that we feel a bond with. What causes it? Do they contain a divine energy or is it merely an evolutionary response to 2000 years of christianity? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 48,740 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 To be lead by a leader and follow is in my opinion week but thats only my opinion.Someone with enough trust and self belief in thereself not to need a guide ,faith or whatever in life is in my opinion the stronger .Evolution in the end, apart from mans destruction is the only levelling factor .Ratting was shite tonight so home early to put you gents right on this matter . Fair reply big man, but personally I chose my faith myself and by f**k I have seen some things that would make anyone turn away from faith......and I am sure there are plenty like me, so how does that work? I heard a man say once, "you think your tough?.....I will show you how tough you are" ........ That's what he heard The Lord say to him in his heart. If you believe that folk like me are weak, then that's fine by me.......I certainly won't take offence about that. We all just crack on, you will and those who believe in something will too. Atb 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 48,740 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Funny that mate, I spent a bit of time sitting in the grounds of the local cathedral when my head was a bit of a shed. Nothing religious but a good place to find a bit of direction I found. That's not me being touched by God, just me needing a calming place to work my thoughts out. I have the same level of zen trying to f**k around fly fishing! There's something about churches, cathedrals, minsters & abbeys though, they're naturally peaceful places and the grandeur and architecture is sort of pleasing to the eye and soul. Certainly spiritual places.... What soul is that then mate ? .........never seen them find that in "Silent Witness" ?? Have I gotcha ? Lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,843 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 There's something about churches, cathedrals, minsters & abbeys though, they're naturally peaceful places and the grandeur and architecture is sort of pleasing to the eye and soul. Certainly spiritual places.... I can't argue with that, but I have to say time in the mountains works better for me. So question... These spiritual places that we feel a bond with. What causes it? Do they contain a divine energy or is it merely an evolutionary response to 2000 years of christianity? I wouldn't say it's an evolved response to Christianity, I'd say these places have been designed specifically to provoke our spirituality. I get a similar sense of comfort when star gazing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danw 1,748 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Peace and quiet wherever you find it is exactly that and nothing more . And yet I spend most of my time alone on an estate that is seldom visited by anyone peace and quiet is all around me and it is nothing like the feeling I find in a church like I said don't understand why since I do not have faith nor religion at all Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,843 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Funny that mate, I spent a bit of time sitting in the grounds of the local cathedral when my head was a bit of a shed. Nothing religious but a good place to find a bit of direction I found. That's not me being touched by God, just me needing a calming place to work my thoughts out. I have the same level of zen trying to f**k around fly fishing! There's something about churches, cathedrals, minsters & abbeys though, they're naturally peaceful places and the grandeur and architecture is sort of pleasing to the eye and soul. Certainly spiritual places.... What soul is that then mate ? .........never seen them find that in "Silent Witness" ?? Have I gotcha ? Lol LOL, how do I describe my soul....... my emotional makeup! When I'm in such places I'm emotionally very content and balanced. There's no unbalance of emotion which I would say is almost a constant through life, tipping one way and the other with every little event throught the day, week, year. Never seen them find any emotion either, they're not a thing they're brain chemistry that is influenced by our senses. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 I wouldn't say it's an evolved response to Christianity, I'd say these places have been designed specifically to provoke our spirituality. I get a similar sense of comfort when star gazing. Fair point but what exactly defines the spiritual place? What makes it so? A lot of these places were built in a time when the church ruled. Designed to show the lord how seriously we believe. Many fine buildings were created. Could it not be our anxiety of what is after, inherited over thousands of years? Seeing the natural wonder of the world inspires more awe, in me, than houses man created to worship the divine. Is spirtualism relative to the individual? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 There's something about churches, cathedrals, minsters & abbeys though, they're naturally peaceful places and the grandeur and architecture is sort of pleasing to the eye and soul. Certainly spiritual places.... I can't argue with that, but I have to say time in the mountains works better for me. So question... These spiritual places that we feel a bond with. What causes it? Do they contain a divine energy or is it merely an evolutionary response to 2000 years of christianity? People have been drawn to and marked certain areas for spiritual reasons for a lot longer than Christianity has been around mate. I get it when I go up the Preselli hills here in Pembrokeshire. The place has long been seen as somewhere spiritual as evidenced by the neolithic standing stones, burial chambers, etc that litter the place. Something about those hills made ancient people dig 2 ton bluestones out of the hillsides and somehow cart them all the way down to Salisbury plain and incorporate them in Stonehenge.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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