Religion/god Given Rights..

[baw 4,360]

Aye Baw, take your f*****g great spoon elsewhere please..

[baw 4,360]

 

Aye Baw, take your f*****g great spoon elsewhere please..

Just delete them posts then malt

[Malt 379]

 

 

Aye Baw, take your f*****g great spoon elsewhere please..

Just delete them posts then malt

 

It'll alter the thread if I do that mate, I'll leave them..

[Nik_B 3,790]

any closer to the meaning of life then?

[Malt 379]

any closer to the meaning of life then?

 

42..

[Nik_B 3,790]

[mushroom 12,870]

 

any closer to the meaning of life then?

 

42..

 

pmsl :laugh: Grab your towel

[Jethro Tull 4]

This is a most interesting topic. I rejected my faith many years ago, until recently. I realised that I didn't know very much about what I was rejecting, so I took it upon myself to do some research and find out more. I suspect that many who have posted on here don't really understand what they are denying. The fact is that we have been given free will, and we can not be forced to believe in God. Unfortunately, that means that many will choose sin, rather than God's way. That is why we have evil in this world. Western civilisation is founded on Judaeo-Christian principles, although Cultural Marxism is making a great attempt at undoing them.

 

It is not my intention to evangelise, but if anyone wants to learn more, I suggest that you start with the Gospel of Mark (the New International version, written in plain English). I find the King James version a bit too archaic...once you find out who Christ actually is, what His mission was, and why it matters, you may find your life changing for the better. Whatever you believe though, may you go in peace.

[gnasher16 30,025]

Gnash, ponder this;

 

A theist gives the reason for the creation of the Universe as God, by definition an unreasonable and unexplainble entity....

 

An atheist gives the reasoned argument "we're not sure but we are confident eventually science will unravel it further and further as it has historically".

 

So we are looking for a reasonable answer and when science that has proven steadfast for its history can't yet give an answer we consider it reasonable and logical to take an unreasonable and unexplainable answer! Do you get the irony in that? We pursue reason with the unreasonable! LOL.

 

We have done exactly that repeatedly and everytime with patience we have found our reasonable answer and discarded the unreasonable one.

 

It's madness to me, complete madness!

 

hmmmm ....im struggling now.......must admit i was on a bit of a " trying to be brainy " moment yesterday as id spent the previous day with a born again christian friend of mine who comes at me so heavy with all this stuff its hard not to get involved ...particularly when i cant find fault in anything he says to be fair.....i still maintain though while science ultimately has to say " we dont know " i cant differentiate that a great deal from folk like me who cant make sense of the Bible......i mean at what point does science eventually hold its hands up and say " f**k it "......personally i have a faith but like anyone else i also want to know hard facts which is hard work when your not intellectually blessed like me so you end up resorting to an aggressive common sense which always brings me back to the same point of 2 seperate roads with a f****n great big " dont know " sign at the end !.....so maybe you go with your heart

 

Anyway i appreciate your thoughts mate

Edited January 16, 2014 by gnasher16

[WILF 46,605]

Gnasher, if its your pal that I have watched a couple of times on youtube then the bloke talks a lot of sense.....I understand him completely.

 

Especially when he talks about revenge and things like that, it's like walking up the street with a big sack of rocks and every time you chuck a rock at someone two more go in your bag and it slowly gets heavier and heavier until you are exhausted.

 

There comes a time when you have to put the bag down or die........that's the point you realise there is something more and that good go's to good and bad go's to bad

[gnasher16 30,025]

 

Baw come off it ya shite stirrir

 

Gnash, like the rest of us, is clearly taking in everybodies view points to make up his own, with such conflicting views you have to try to find faults to determine which makes the most sense to you. I do it to myself as much as I do others all the time. I'm sure he does the same with my views and I'm sure he doesn't give anybody a hard time over it. There's a difference between maliciously ridiculing someones beliefs simply because they differ to your own and questioning them to help you understand what makes sense to you.

 

Don't ruin the thread you f****r!

I'm not trying to ruin anything mate, he said 2 things he was told as he grew up, don't question a mans religion or his football team, anybody who does is an ignoramus. He mentioned it on this thread mate when all we were trying to do was find answers to questions regarding religion so to contradict himself in the same thread, is unbelievable. Anyhow, it's been a good read mate and I particularly liked your post about got getting pushed out to the start of the Big Bang, explained it perfectly to me

 

 

I wouldnt question any mans understanding of religion unless i knew him well enough to discuss it....a close friend is capable of having that conversation without feeling offended....if you cant understand that well.....must admit theres something im finally starting to understand about you....hence 2 lines max !

Edited January 16, 2014 by gnasher16

[Born Hunter 17,751]

hmmmm ....im struggling now.......must admit i was on a bit of a " trying to be brainy " moment yesterday as id spent the previous day with a born again christian friend of mine who comes at me so heavy with all this stuff its hard not to get involved ...particularly when i cant find fault in anything he says to be fair.....i still maintain though while science ultimately has to say " we dont know " i cant differentiate that a great deal from folk like me who cant make sense of the Bible......i mean at what point does science eventually hold its hands up and say " f**k it "......personally i have a faith but like anyone else i also want to know hard facts which is hard work when your not intellectually blessed like me so you end up resorting to an aggressive common sense which always brings me back to the same point of 2 seperate roads with a f****n great big " dont know " sign at the end !.....so maybe you go with your heart

 

Anyway i appreciate your thoughts mate

 

 

Never! Progress never stops, we learn a bit more every year. Questions to which today we say "we don't know", tomorrow we say "we now know". Keep pushing the limits of human knowledge with reason and logic. Beyond todays limits there's the unreasonable and unexplainable 'God'............. untill we extend that limit a bit further and replace the unreasonable with reason....

[WILF 46,605]

Or find evidence beyond doubt of god of course ?.........other than one book written by so many different people over such a long span of time but all saying the same thing ?

[Born Hunter 17,751]

Or find evidence beyond doubt of god of course ?.........other than one book written by so many different people over such a long span of time but all saying the same thing ?

 

Of course, intelligent creation is a possibility. However, is God not by definition beyond reason and science? If science finds some intelligent force governed by the laws of physics like the rest of the universe then I'd not consider that God. Would you? It's simply another form of intelligent life that created our universe through a advanced level of scientific knowledge. I just don't see how a scientific approach of reason and logic can give an answer that is by definition beyond reason and explanation?

[WILF 46,605]

BH, surely as scientist your mind should be open to all possibilitys until proved or dis-proved ?