Religion/god Given Rights..

[Born Hunter 17,809]

You boys are going way beyond my limited brain capacity, personally I don't want, need or look for proof of something more.........call me a nut if you like but I feel it so I know it's there.

 

What it's name is, I don't know, but it's there........

 

That's your faith and that's fine by me.

 

I sure as hell can't prove you wrong.

[neems 2,406]

 

It's a huge coincidence if it is one though isn't it?

Malt-I don't know,I haven't looked into it,I just think the northern people kept their religion purer for longer so don't read specifically about other people.

Probably will move on to Greek mythology,when I've got a better grasp on what I'm looking into now.

I'm guessing it would take a lot of research to decode the mythology and find out.

 

They pretty much have themes and figures that pop up and intertwine, consistent with ideas and beliefs moving from place to place and integrating with local ones. Not read a hell of a lot of the Germanic ones if I'm honest but it's something I will do.. I bet you'll find a lot in common with the Greek ones once you have a knowledge of both.

Well a lot of people think they literally followed the same religion,with different names for the gods,and I'm inclined to agree.

Another one I've heard is that Hercules was the Greek equivalent of a berserker the word berserker possibly coming from proto Norse berko which means birch,or white/pure,rather than bear.

 

And Hercules using lion skin rather than bear.

 

Tacitus' journal is good one if its Germanic tribes your interested in.

[Malt 379]

You boys are going way beyond my limited brain capacity, personally I don't want, need or look for proof of something more.........call me a nut if you like but I feel it so I know it's there.

 

What it's name is, I don't know, but it's there........

 

Wilf, if you read my posts on this thread would say I believe that there is a god? Well, I don't know exactly what I think 'god' is, but when I was a nipper my chapel going nan used to get me to say my prayers before bed and brought me up with a faith. I still pray to god now and again, and daft as it may sound I've never been let down. Even though the way my mind works will bring me down on the science side of an argument I still have faith. I don't fully understand it but it's there..

[Born Hunter 17,809]

Gnash, ponder this;

 

A theist gives the reason for the creation of the Universe as God, by definition an unreasonable and unexplainble entity....

 

An atheist gives the reasoned argument "we're not sure but we are confident eventually science will unravel it further and further as it has historically".

 

So we are looking for a reasonable answer and when science that has proven steadfast for its history can't yet give an answer we consider it reasonable and logical to take an unreasonable and unexplainable answer! Do you get the irony in that? We pursue reason with the unreasonable! LOL.

 

We have done exactly that repeatedly and everytime with patience we have found our reasonable answer and discarded the unreasonable one.

 

It's madness to me, complete madness!

Edited January 16, 2014 by Born Hunter

[scothunter 12,609]

always fancied satanisim

Ave Ave versus christus

Ave satani

lol better to walk into hell on your feet than heaven on your knees

 

nah seriously these posts were intersting and enjoyed reading your thoughts.

[AXUM 255]

so did jesus also die for satan's sin. they say jesus died for our sin.. surely that means satan has been forgiven

[undisputed 1,664]

Just make sure you when you get educated you learn to spell NEGATIVE properly fannybaws

[CHIP 39]

I always use this one but I think it's a good example, Born Hunter (or any other scientific type person).....is there a scientific explanation as to why a stranger will sacrifice their life for another stranger?.......push them out the way of a bus or something?

 

It's the most un-natural thing in the world for an animal to do IMHO

its not something exclusive to humans... dogs chimps etc will show the same traits to varying degrees,granted theres nothing like us on the planet,but the idea of these traits having evolved in us over time isnt that hard to digest for me as is the idea that were made by design and perfect yet were riddled with reduntant left overs from genes to tail bones,appendix,male nipples etc

id have less trouble beleiving in ridley scotts promethius as a version of events than burning talking bushes. eve made from a blokes rib and all the other crap.

imo if there were a god it should be begging us for our forgiveness

quoteing a great man

Religion comes from the bawling & fearful infancy of our species & it is a babyish attempt to meet our DEMAND for knowledge, (comfort, reassurance) and other infantile needs...!

 

Christopher Hitchens (R.I.P.)

Edited January 16, 2014 by CHIP

[paulus 26]

Pi is an infinite, non-repeating decimal — meaning that every possible number combination exists somewhere in pi. Converted into ASCII text [computer representation], somewhere in that infinite string of digits is the name of every person you will ever love; the date, time and manner of your death; and the answers to all the great questions of the universe. Converted into a bitmap [computer image], somewhere in that infinite string of digits is a pixel-perfect representation of the first thing you saw on this earth; the last thing you will see before your life leaves you; and all the moments, momentous and mundane, that will occur between these two points.

All the information that has ever existed or will ever exist, the DNA of every being in the universe.

EVERYTHING: all contained in the ratio of a circumference and a diameter.

pi must somewhere contain a representation of the entire universe.

[WILF 47,587]

 

I always use this one but I think it's a good example, Born Hunter (or any other scientific type person).....is there a scientific explanation as to why a stranger will sacrifice their life for another stranger?.......push them out the way of a bus or something?

It's the most un-natural thing in the world for an animal to do IMHO

 

its not something exclusive to humans... dogs chimps etc will show the same traits to varying degrees,granted theres nothing like us on the planet,but the idea of these traits having evolved in us over time isnt that hard to digest for me as is the idea that were made by design and perfect yet were riddled with reduntant left overs from genes to tail bones,appendix,male nipples etc

id have less trouble beleiving in ridley scotts promethius as a version of events than burning talking bushes. eve made from a blokes rib and all the other crap.

imo if there were a god it should be begging us for our forgiveness

quoteing a great man

Religion comes from the bawling & fearful infancy of our species & it is a babyish attempt to meet our DEMAND for knowledge, (comfort, reassurance) and other infantile needs...!

Christopher Hitchens (R.I.P.)

I am actually a fan of the Hitchens brothers, but by god Chris could be a pompous ass at times.

His failing was that he thought just the fact that something is expressed using clever language and in a self assured manner makes it right......it doesn't , it's just another opinion like everyone else's

 

In nature, animals like Ants etc will sacrifice themselves for the group as will humans, but humans are the only animal I know of that will do it for complete strangers

[baw 4,360]

 

 

Another thing I think about is, why is it that people who have experienced the dark side of life, seen a few things that most ordinary folk never will, why is it they maintain their belief or turn to a belief ?.........maybe it's only when you have shook hands with the devil that you realise his opposite must be out there in some form of another?

Out of all people they have the most right to say, "well, I have seen all this bad stuff and bad people so how can you say god exists" but they don't ?

Just an observation.

I dunno mate, wait till I ask my gran ffs

You seem a bit out of your depth on this thread mate to be honest, you have not offered much up other than a bit of slagging, a few attempts at getting people at it and that's about it.

 

Again, just an observation

I know wilf, you know all the answers, can't argue with you there, me, I don't. I particularly like your reasoning that there must be a god because folk who have seen bad things turn to him and that other blinder, folk giving up their life's to strangers, belter that one I did notice folk avoided talking about the Big Bang till I gave my thoughts on it, just an observation mate

[baw 4,360]

 

 

i find it mind boggling that if the universe has expanded to the limit then llets say collapsed and shrank then expanded again just how old would that make the universe?

I guess that depends on what you think there was before a universe......nothing is nothing right ?.....space isnt nothing space is something and you cant get something from nothing......didnt Einstein say a cosmic expansion came from a ball of energy that moved faster than the speed of light or whatever.....so what if we had a giant cosmic rewind button back to the start where would it go back to....to have time there has to be a start surely.......the big bang ? being that was where the so called laws we are governed by began it makes sense in space time to have a start......but what about before the start...." before " being a response to time.........if theres no time theres no before if theres no before theres no after so this expansion must have a start time.....yet before the big bang there was nothing ??....nothing as in no thing not a gap,a gap is something we are talking about nothing theres no space or time in nothing !................hence back to the first law of astro physics " out of nothing....nothing comes "........................now i need to have a lie down

 

Bornhunter thanks for your replies mate fascinating stuff ......i have a mate who hits me with religious stuff every time i see him it actually made me try to learn something about all this so i have something to throw back at him !......trouble is i cant find fault in anything he says hence its leading me in a different direction to science........but its an interesting journey for sure and something thats hard to ignore.

I thought you said you never question someone's religion? People who do are ignoramiousies. Here your telling us you try to find fault in your mates religious stuff he tells you. What a strange man you are

[Born Hunter 17,809]

Baw come off it ya shite stirrir

 

Gnash, like the rest of us, is clearly taking in everybodies view points to make up his own, with such conflicting views you have to try to find faults to determine which makes the most sense to you. I do it to myself as much as I do others all the time. I'm sure he does the same with my views and I'm sure he doesn't give anybody a hard time over it. There's a difference between maliciously ridiculing someones beliefs simply because they differ to your own and questioning them to help you understand what makes sense to you.

 

Don't ruin the thread you f****r!

[Malt 379]

Aye Baw, take your f***ing great spoon elsewhere please..

[baw 4,360]

Baw come off it ya shite stirrir

 

Gnash, like the rest of us, is clearly taking in everybodies view points to make up his own, with such conflicting views you have to try to find faults to determine which makes the most sense to you. I do it to myself as much as I do others all the time. I'm sure he does the same with my views and I'm sure he doesn't give anybody a hard time over it. There's a difference between maliciously ridiculing someones beliefs simply because they differ to your own and questioning them to help you understand what makes sense to you.

 

Don't ruin the thread you f****r!

I'm not trying to ruin anything mate, he said 2 things he was told as he grew up, don't question a mans religion or his football team, anybody who does is an ignoramus. He mentioned it on this thread mate when all we were trying to do was find answers to questions regarding religion so to contradict himself in the same thread, is unbelievable. Anyhow, it's been a good read mate and I particularly liked your post about got getting pushed out to the start of the Big Bang, explained it perfectly to me