Religion/god Given Rights..

[Born Hunter 17,798]

the weight of a black hole has to bend space and with it time as space is not there without time but what happens when time can no longer support the weight of a black hole , does it compress at the point of the black hole and speed up over vast distances as time thins along its length

 

 

Gravity dilates time and contracts distances in a similar way that velocities of the order of light speed does, I believe. So yeah, mass and energy affect the local shape of space and time. The more massive the object or intense the energy the greater the effect and the more space and time is 'bent'. I'm no expert but I believe that at some critical point the 'fabric' of space time can be bent so much it is torn, there is a discontinuity. What happens then, who knows..... It's where Hawking would start talking about worm holes.

[Malt 379]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

is not time nothing more than speed and light in a black hole is time even relevant

There is no light in a black hole, it's gravity is that immense even photons can't escape. It even distorts time. If you went into one and I was watching from a safe distance, I would forever see your image on the event horizon, but you would be pulled into atoms and go beyond it..

 

but the whole theory of time travel is based on distorting time, is a time warp not just a bend in time??

 

Nope a time warp is where time is distorted by an external force, time travel involves other theories

 

not quite if you view time as a sheet of rubber and then place a heavy object in the middle of it it bends at the point the object touches, the heavier the object the bigger the bend so no imagine a black hole pressing on time the bend would be infinite

 

This is not time it's fabric of space two very different things Although supposedly they are intricately linked

 

what do you think the fabric of space is

 

Space is not time and time is not space. The intersect but they are not one and the same..

 

Unless you're thinking of spacetime?

[paulus 26]

heres another if you limit it first to our universe, think of every planet in 3d held in space and each one has a different mass, that mass if great enough would have an effect on time, now translate that to the universe, then add black-holes and how that would effect the planets within its effect on time, then wormholes become a thought

[Malt 379]

Ow my head.. Where the fooks my tablets..?

[Born Hunter 17,798]

Ow my head.. Where the fooks my tablets..?

 

I think paulus has rinsed em mate...

[Malt 379]

heres another if you limit it first to our universe, think of every planet in 3d held in space and each one has a different mass, that mass if great enough would have an effect on time, now translate that to the universe, then add black-holes and how that would effect the planets within its effect on time, then wormholes become a thought

 

You forgot about dark matter mate..

[The Seeker 3,048]

 

 

 

 

 

Hail woden

Hail Woden

Yeah cause paganism is much easier to accept with witches and wise men with special healing powers dancing round a set of stones bollock naked worshiping mother nature and other green men.

"hail Hogwarts"

I dont think you understand much about the paganism our ancestors followed.

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Perhaps not but that's probably to do with every pagen I have ever met seems to be an expert in why my religious beliefs are riduculas but fail to tell me EXACTLY what the Pagen belief is. When i ask "so tell me what you believe?" in It all gets met with a big smoke screen of god or gods, patriarchhal vs matriarchal different opinions depending who I'm talking to and I have asked this of several pagens I know.

Just to set the record straight about the bible, the new testament is not a book written by a guy in the desert but is a combined series of books (gospels) from several different peoples perspectives of what they witnessed. Just like if ten people went to a football match and sat in different parts of the stadium we would each give our account of what we saw from our perspective, this is a very crude explanation of the new testament.

It's interesting to note historically the apostles after the crucifixion went to all parts of the world to spread the message of the Christianity and what they had witnessed, almost all of them were tortured to death to denounce Christianity and not one of them would deny what they had seen. You'd think if it was all a bit of a story they might have said "oh hold on a minute I was only joking"

I said it before and wil say it again each must find their own path to travel

It's hard to explain to someone who hasn't taken time to study them,even more so someone who has been indoctrinated in Christianity.

There are pagans who literally believe Zeus or Thor is up in the clouds creating thunder being pulled along on his chariot by goats,or the world is literally a tree with witches living at the bottom of it,I think they usually call themselves asatruan.

There are feminists who call themselves Wiccan,who are probably just not yet got over the novelty that there exists a religion that doesn't oppress women,but can't seem to find balance and go the to the other extreme and thinks its acceptable to try and oppress men.

And there are people who view the stories about the European gods (Roman,Greek,Germanic,Scandinavian,Gaelic etc) as symbolic.

for example,Most of us agree the European gods are the same gods under different names,Thor is Zeus and Jupiter.

From the eddas we know Thor doesn't interfere with our lives directly,but protects us from the forces of nature,he has red hair and is the biggest and strongest god.

It also happens that Jupiter is the biggest planet in our solar system,its red and its magnetic fields have probably saved our planet from being more than once.

With all due respect mate I find it difficult how a Pagen can criticise Christianity and suggest how implausible it can be but can have no problem in believing in multiple gods plural.

 

If there are so many different versions of Paganism do Pagens argue who is right?

[*The*Field*Marshall* 674]

I wrote this post hours ago, didn’t stick at the time, kind of lost timing a bit and it’s hardly relevant to opening post, but I’ll repost because it took me 15 minutes to type with this shoddy lap top!

 

The Bible is a compilation of 66 books, penned by 40 different writers, with one author – God, written over the period of approximately 1600 years, with a very specific theme held to throughout, it addresses the big issues of life, where we came from, who we are and where we are going. It is book that has no equal; it has been studied and scrutinized like no other. It is a trustworthy document, geographically, historically, politically, archaeologically, scientifically and spiritually.

 

I believe the above because I have spent time reading, listening and watching the arguments men and women from both sides, for and against. . If you are going to rule the bible out as essentially a worthless and useless piece of literature, on what basis have you done that? What study, research and reasoning have you applied? Because the masses and media through TV, radio, glossy magazines have told you so? Hmmm I think that would be a little risky. . For example, the times I’ve heard and seen the quote “science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings” what an idiotic quote from Richard Dawkins, no doubt referring to 9/11 and he’s so sure it was Bin Laden? Not the American government? By the way Dawkins is happy to admit that aliens could have created life but not God. . Hmmm, OK.

 

Science: I remember a conversation I had with my germen cousin, she’s a PhD scientist (nuclear) studied at Harvard for a time and is currently managing a team of scientists working on the large hadron collider in Switzerland, my sneering atheistic uncle-in-law was present, he was left stunned when she agreed with me when I said doesn’t the project prove that it takes an intelligent mind to create life? She also confessed it takes as much faith to believe in the big bang as it does to believe in creation. . I agreed to be polite, but I actually think it takes more faith to believe in something coming from nothing than it does to believe in a creator. . The notion of it has to be faith or science is nonsense, both can coincide no with no problem, I actually believe that science confirms what the bible says. I am not deterred by the fact that most scientists deny the existence of God, I think that more down to the human heart (will) and not the mind (intellect) I can list many, many heavyweight scientists of all disciplines who believe in the biblical account of creation. . Science is not a deterrent to faith.

 

The bottom line from me, I’ve said this before, its best to do your own research, listen to logic and common sense. As I’ve already stated, I believe it is far, far easier to believe that God created life rather than life created itself. God gave the code of life, said what is absolutely right and wrong, and made us with a conscience to obey his laws. . You have no basis for any of that without referring to a higher authority of some sort, there would no such thing as right and wrong, truth as category wouldn’t exist and there no such thing as good and evil. I could go on and on, sorry to bore!

[Born Hunter 17,798]

I'm curious how the search for the Higgs Boson 'proves' an intelligent creator? You've basically just said that science has proven the existence of god?

 

You're right many scientists are also theists. The Big Bang theory, as I have said, is popular with theists for this reason. But don't mistake what it is, it does not state that everything came from nothing as I keep trying to explain. Just that our universe was once a singularity from which it evolved with expansion and the progression of time. The Big Bang theory does not try to predict what happened before expansion.

 

As for faith in the Big Bang theory, I don't believe that's the case at all, Hubble's observations, CMBR and Einstein theoretical work all point to expansion being obvious. Continuing high energy particle physics research is answering how the universe formed seconds into it's life. What evidence do we have to support intelligent creation?

[mushroom 13,237]

 

 

 

 

 

 

is not time nothing more than speed and light in a black hole is time even relevant

There is no light in a black hole, it's gravity is that immense even photons can't escape. It even distorts time. If you went into one and I was watching from a safe distance, I would forever see your image on the event horizon, but you would be pulled into atoms and go beyond it..

 

but the whole theory of time travel is based on distorting time, is a time warp not just a bend in time??

 

Nope a time warp is where time is distorted by an external force, time travel involves other theories

 

not quite if you view time as a sheet of rubber and then place a heavy object in the middle of it it bends at the point the object touches, the heavier the object the bigger the bend so no imagine a black hole pressing on time the bend would be infinite

 

This is not time it's fabric of space two very different things Although supposedly they are intricately linked

 

what do you think the fabric of space is

 

Polyester

[mushroom 13,237]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

is not time nothing more than speed and light in a black hole is time even relevant

There is no light in a black hole, it's gravity is that immense even photons can't escape. It even distorts time. If you went into one and I was watching from a safe distance, I would forever see your image on the event horizon, but you would be pulled into atoms and go beyond it..

 

but the whole theory of time travel is based on distorting time, is a time warp not just a bend in time??

 

Nope a time warp is where time is distorted by an external force, time travel involves other theories

 

not quite if you view time as a sheet of rubber and then place a heavy object in the middle of it it bends at the point the object touches, the heavier the object the bigger the bend so no imagine a black hole pressing on time the bend would be infinite

 

This is not time it's fabric of space two very different things Although supposedly they are intricately linked

 

what do you think the fabric of space is

 

Space is not time and time is not space. The intersect but they are not one and the same..

 

Unless you're thinking of spacetime?

 

I knew you'd come out wi summat :laugh:

 

heres another if you limit it first to our universe, think of every planet in 3d held in space and each one has a different mass, that mass if great enough would have an effect on time, now translate that to the universe, then add black-holes and how that would effect the planets within its effect on time, then wormholes become a thought

I saw this episode of Star Trek :laugh:

[Born Hunter 17,798]

Are you also saying that all the atheist scientists are atheists in spite of what is intellectually obvious? They actually allow their heart to rule over what logic is telling them?

 

I'm not sure what to say to that...... it's absolutely laughable! Atheists are too dumb and emotional to see that God is the only logical answer?

[dixiefried 269]

Is all this Science & the Mega money behind it ,trying to disprove the existence of a "GREAT Architect " or is it Trying to explain our Existence ?

Think thats all Religous Texts were trying to do in their Time. The Prophets were just the Scientists of their time,re-assuring folk there is a bigger world out there,they just called it "Heaven" now it's called the Universe,oddlly enough some "Faith" belief in a Parrallel Universe,not unlike some Scientists.

[Malt 379]

Is all this Science & the Mega money behind it ,trying to disprove the existence of a "GREAT Architect " or is it Trying to explain our Existence ?

Think thats all Religous Texts were trying to do in their Time. The Prophets were just the Scientists of their time,re-assuring folk there is a bigger world out there,they just called it "Heaven" now it's called the Universe,oddlly enough some "Faith" belief in a Parrallel Universe,not unlike some Scientists.

Interesting.. Prophets, philosophers and other wise men come out with these messages/theories which other people start believing in, others see an opportunity to use these beliefs to wield control. Fast forward a few thousand years and it's the scientists who come out with the theories. Some scientists propose that humans are responsible for global warmings, others take note because eco groups and environmentalists take note and start shouting the message and 'boom' climate change becomes a new religion with which various people in power seize upon. Any scientist or group that casts doubt on these or offers an alternative explanation is jumped upon as a heretic..

[neems 2,406]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hail woden

Hail Woden

Yeah cause paganism is much easier to accept with witches and wise men with special healing powers dancing round a set of stones bollock naked worshiping mother nature and other green men.

"hail Hogwarts"

I dont think you understand much about the paganism our ancestors followed.

.

Perhaps not but that's probably to do with every pagen I have ever met seems to be an expert in why my religious beliefs are riduculas but fail to tell me EXACTLY what the Pagen belief is. When i ask "so tell me what you believe?" in It all gets met with a big smoke screen of god or gods, patriarchhal vs matriarchal different opinions depending who I'm talking to and I have asked this of several pagens I know.

Just to set the record straight about the bible, the new testament is not a book written by a guy in the desert but is a combined series of books (gospels) from several different peoples perspectives of what they witnessed. Just like if ten people went to a football match and sat in different parts of the stadium we would each give our account of what we saw from our perspective, this is a very crude explanation of the new testament.

It's interesting to note historically the apostles after the crucifixion went to all parts of the world to spread the message of the Christianity and what they had witnessed, almost all of them were tortured to death to denounce Christianity and not one of them would deny what they had seen. You'd think if it was all a bit of a story they might have said "oh hold on a minute I was only joking"

I said it before and wil say it again each must find their own path to travel

It's hard to explain to someone who hasn't taken time to study them,even more so someone who has been indoctrinated in Christianity.

There are pagans who literally believe Zeus or Thor is up in the clouds creating thunder being pulled along on his chariot by goats,or the world is literally a tree with witches living at the bottom of it,I think they usually call themselves asatruan.

There are feminists who call themselves Wiccan,who are probably just not yet got over the novelty that there exists a religion that doesn't oppress women,but can't seem to find balance and go the to the other extreme and thinks its acceptable to try and oppress men.

And there are people who view the stories about the European gods (Roman,Greek,Germanic,Scandinavian,Gaelic etc) as symbolic.

for example,Most of us agree the European gods are the same gods under different names,Thor is Zeus and Jupiter.

From the eddas we know Thor doesn't interfere with our lives directly,but protects us from the forces of nature,he has red hair and is the biggest and strongest god.

It also happens that Jupiter is the biggest planet in our solar system,its red and its magnetic fields have probably saved our planet from being more than once.

With all due respect mate I find it difficult how a Pagen can criticise Christianity and suggest how implausible it can be but can have no problem in believing in multiple gods plural.

If there are so many different versions of Paganism do Pagens argue who is right?

No there's no agenda.

 

Like I'm sure you know Christianity was forced on people to make them easier to rule,paganism evolved organically in our people,its our natural religion.

 

I think the majority would fit into the bottom category,so the gods are symbolic,they just represent nature,did you read the example at the bottom of my long winded post?