Religion/god Given Rights..

[WILF 46,605]

By the way, and old Muslim bloke once said one of the most profound things anyone has ever said to me......he said "in my religion we say all children are angels of god upto the age of 5 because they see only beauty and wonder in everything......they don't know hate and they don't know what it is to be cynical about things.......they are pure of heart "

[NEWKID 27,086]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What i would like to know is why these weak people even feel the need to involve a third party in their thoughts,their day to day living and their very being .Cant they make do with running their own lives how they want to live it without it being in the back of their minds. What exactly do they think is showing them the path .Evolution hasnt been kind to this band of weaklings i guess.

They're not weak.They're being manipulated by a religion,or are using it to manipulate others.

The weakness lies with everyone taken in by it mate .They do not recruit by force .Its all willingly accepted by weak people.

Yeah being a Christian here is optional now,and Christianity is dying.With enough conditioning and the right environment you could make a child believe in anything,including Yahweh.

And this is where it all goes wrong for the faithful .Why do you think its necessary to teach a kid religion if its so much part of what you think we are .Surely it would come as naturally as breathing if it were the path we were to follow .

IMHO children require nurture and guidance, better in my eyes to guide them into positive ways of living, chose love over hate, chose peace over anger, be happy not resentful.......a little better than dog eat dog don't you think?

Looking at your signature you may keep terriers, do you drop a pup in at 4 months old simply because its in their blood to work?......no, of course you don't , it's time and care and positive experience until the right time comes.

Do you think your beliefs help you to raise your children Wilf?

 

I think most parents would like to think they try their best to instill most of those virtues into their kids, religous or not...

 

|One thing I don't understand is people who are not in the least bit religious having their children christened?.... Although I'm a god parent to 2 people so maybe I'm being hypocritical

I have to think about the right words as I write this mate..........I think my present level of what I think I understand about life helps me to help them

As in, you never want your kids to have to learn things the hard way.

Now, that attitude is not the sole property of those who have some kind of faith.......all parents I would think want the same.

 

When I was a kid, you had to fight.....that was how you dealt with problems in an area with every mix of people under the sun.

Weather someone was big, small, in a gang or whatever the default outcome was that you give it to them so hard they never wanted any more.........which is fine upto a point.

 

But what my faith/understanding has showne is that if your not very careful you can end up living your life like that and no matter what happens you can't find any peace or see any beauty......your always on the look out for the next person or thing to fight against, and mate, it just wares you out......never happy, never ever happy

 

Then you start doing things that you think should make you happy but they just push the true happiness further away.

 

If having some type of faith can stear my children round that and let them just get on with the business of life then it's helped in droves

 

 

Funny enough I get that completely.... it was a funny old life, kids coming along helped me... I rarely get angry now, I raged at everything for a lot of years, I was opinionated as f**k, and when I think about it it must have got on peoples tits

There is no way my kids will ever see what I've seen, I've faith enough in myself to know that..... Religion just isn't for me, the moral codes of it ( in a pure sense) are completely up my street though

[gnasher16 30,025]

I have to think about the right words as I write this mate..........I think my present level of what I think I understand about life helps me to help them

As in, you never want your kids to have to learn things the hard way.

Now, that attitude is not the sole property of those who have some kind of faith.......all parents I would think want the same.

 

When I was a kid, you had to fight.....that was how you dealt with problems in an area with every mix of people under the sun.

Weather someone was big, small, in a gang or whatever the default outcome was that you give it to them so hard they never wanted any more.........which is fine upto a point.

 

But what my faith/understanding has showne is that if your not very careful you can end up living your life like that and no matter what happens you can't find any peace or see any beauty......your always on the look out for the next person or thing to fight against, and mate, it just wares you out......never happy, never ever happy

 

Then you start doing things that you think should make you happy but they just push the true happiness further away.

 

If having some type of faith can stear my children round that and let them just get on with the business of life then it's helped in droves

 

 

Blinding post that !.....I dont think faith can do any harm whatsoever in being a parent id give anything to have another crack at being a parent with the understanding of life and faith i have now compared to back then.

Edited January 19, 2014 by gnasher16

[scothunter 12,609]

its a pity he dont care for these wee angels without sin and pure of heart. but they suffer and die everyday.and like you said. way to young and innocent to bad or full of sin.

but for religious people they say its gods plan. pretty shabby and unjust plan.guess thats a major factor in why im an athiest.you can debate the scientific,and religious doctrine.but when it boils down to it. if there was a all seeing being,who is capable of such wonders and miracles. would it have been a great task to make hamiltons van crash,or the 7/7 bombers;?

no one would ever have needed to know,and he could have kept his annominity.i got to much conflict in religion to be a believer.cant say it has hindered or furthered my life without it.

[oneredtrim 148]

By the way, and old Muslim bloke once said one of the most profound things anyone has ever said to me......he said "in my religion we say all children are angels of god upto the age of 5 because they see only beauty and wonder in everything......they don't know hate and they don't know what it is to be cynical about things.......they are pure of heart "

 

I'snt the muslim kids words a non too startlin example of stateing the obvious...wilf

[clipo 871]

religion/belief whatever you want to call it is a load of shite!!! humans are the only species that believe in it and at the same time are the only species that will single-handedly f**k the planet up...............GO FIGURE...............

Edited January 20, 2014 by clipo

[clipo 871]

its a pity he dont care for these wee angels without sin and pure of heart. but they suffer and die everyday.and like you said. way to young and innocent to bad or full of sin.

but for religious people they say its gods plan. pretty shabby and unjust plan.guess thats a major factor in why im an athiest.you can debate the scientific,and religious doctrine.but when it boils down to it. if there was a all seeing being,who is capable of such wonders and miracles. would it have been a great task to make hamiltons van crash,or the 7/7 bombers;?

no one would ever have needed to know,and he could have kept his annominity.i got to much conflict in religion to be a believer.cant say it has hindered or furthered my life without it.

[Mickey Finn 3,005]

Theres not been one believer on here that has answered the age old question ..What exactly do you think you believe in and what do you pray to.

God, as he revealed himself to Moses.

 

ATB

[scothunter 12,609]

well when he reveals himself to me,ill f***ing believe aswell lol

[Mickey Finn 3,005]

well when he reveals himself to me,ill f*****g believe aswell lol

You're Scottish. I don't think it will do you any good.

 

ATB

[BOLSTER 808]

His Helped me a lot over the last few years ....................................................

[BOLSTER 808]

Sure it says in the Bible, God sent one of his sons to a cave for being a Sex case then he turned him BLACK for his punishment ...... anyone read this ?

[socks 32,253]

One thing is fact when all looks lost and you have a millisecond to contemplate your life it's not god you think about or cry out for think about redemption from ... What enters your head for that briefest of moments is your loved ones ..............

[paulus 26]

One thing is fact when all looks lost and you have a millisecond to contemplate your life it's not god you think about or cry out for think about redemption from ... What enters your head for that briefest of moments is your loved ones ..............

that hits the nail on the head, its that bond.peace, sense of belonging,security,fulfilment, love, that loved ones bring. that's what religion tries to emulate. it preys on a weakness with a promise of fulfilment. we are a herd animal trying to live away from the herd. religion is an attempt to fill that sense of being together part of the herd that's missing

[baw 4,360]

Baw, I don't mean to ridicule you but I can only write how I speak and this is how I would sum up your experience.......a few small minded nasty people were nasty to you years ago and you have not been able to dry your eyes about it ever since

 

That's it in a nutshell from what you have written.

 

It's doesn't seem like you have been able to think through the fact that these were just nasty people, there's nasty people all over the show but that doesn't make religion or a believe in itself a silly thing.

 

What you need to see is that, by just taking every opportunity to slag religion just because some folk were nasty once, those people are still kicking that young lad you used to be.

 

Hate and anger = darkness, leave it behind mate, you will feel better.......now that's real religion working in a practical way.

Jmho

I don't take offence wilf, I was answering someone who asked me what it was like growing up as a catholic but a non believer. The thing is wilf, I've never believed in god or religion, any of it. The fact I'm using my experience at the hands of leaders of your faith doesn't sit well with you. I've had experience of your faith and its nothing more than a f***ing joke. I'm allowed that opinion because I've experienced it. The thing with religious freaks for want of a better word, they just don't understand why someone doesn't agree with them. I told you my experience and you give it, ahhh it was just small minded men. Would you have said the same if I'd said I went to a Muslim school and they battered me up and down to become a Muslim? If a faith has to intimidate its followers into believing, that isn't much of a religion in my eyes. And don't say it was only me, I was unique, it's happened the world over. You see wilf, I don't need to have the fear of god bestowed on me to understand what's right and wrong in this world. People like you who have been fannys growing up then feel remorseful when you've matured and got kids of your own and turn to god to start a new life will always be fannys in my eyes. A rapist is a rapist for the rest of his life no matter what he believes, same applies to to everyone. You only have 1 life, that's from birth to death, not 2 which people like yourself would like to believe. People like me who have been brought up right, treat people with decency from the start, are more welcome in my circle of friends than some religious nut who has seen the light and thinks they are better for it. Your no better, you've just gained a conscious.