Malt 379 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 WILF, I've tried to make my feelings clear, so you'll know I'm no believer but that post was very worthy of a 'like' even from someone like me. That explains faith and personal religion perfectly. You say you are not a believer Born, but surely you believe in the things we know through scientific discovery and faith in the people who discover them? Science is all about faith when you think about it, it's what keeps you ploughing on into the unknown. Faith that your beliefs will carry you though! Just because you don't hold them about a deity up in heaven don't mean it not the same thing, it still concerns the same part of the human make up. You could even say it's this that gives us our soul, even if you're not of a religious persuasion.. PS. Hope that makes some sort of sense, my painkillers kicked in half way though typing it.. Malt, you're of course right. Faith imo is a human survival mechanism, it keeps you focused and moving forward when all logic sugests you are done and to give up. Religious beliefes are simply an expansion of that faith mechanism, a way of making sense of the world at a time when logic and knowledge alone cannot. "Fear of the unknown", faith and religious beliefes eliminate that and make for a mentally stronger individual and consiquently better survivor. I have faith, I need it to get by day to day as a human, that however doesn't mean I believe in an intelligent creator that can or cannot be explained by logic. As for my faith in science, yeah you're right, I understand that any and all scientific knowledge could tomorrow be turned upside down with new observations and empiracle evidence. But the difference is I put my faith in science because it has proven to have the lowest probability of being wrong. Likewise I am an Atheist because I believe that statistically the chance of their being any type of deity is negligeable and only limited to a positive probability due to the fact it's impossible to absolutely prove or dissprove anything. There's no right and wrong, just high probability and low probability. ironic thought isn't it? The same thing that compelled Darwin to come out with the Origin of Species at the time he came out with it is essentially the same as thing that compel the Islamist suicide bomber to push a button and shuffle of his mortal coil in search of his 77 virgins - faith in what they believe.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,751 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Malt, it's one of Man's strongest virtues. Our rational mind gives us great potential and our faith gives us the strength and endurance to achieve it. Combined with our competetive nature this has made for one of the most adaptable and successfull lifeforms the Earth has ever seen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shovel leaner 7,650 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Never could get me head around religion ! I guess i must be a very shallow person . I have always been too busy earning a living , shagging , drinking , watching footie , and field sports to give it a second thought . And as for heaven , well if its full of those "born again " christians , id rather be cast into the bowels of hell !!! See most of you there then . 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Huan72 687 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Science can only measure the things it has the instruments to measure and can only theorise within the boundaries of the human imagination. We never used to know about microscopic organisms because we couldn't see them, science will discover all sorts of wonders when the instrumentation and the required imagination coincide I am sure I have as much chance of knowing the secrets of the universe as a single cell animal has of knowing that it is being viewed down the lens of a microscope I think However I am spiritual in nature but I don't think that any man made book, however well intentioned can come close to showing me spirituality in the way that being close to a thunder storm, or walking beneath a forest canopy can. For me its out there, in me and around everything, to say someone else is wrong in their religious beliefs goes against my beliefs. There are many paths I am sure and there will be people of all faiths that are far better and nicer people than me, who am I to judge. My beliefs come from my own experiences, research but mostly a feeling that I have had for as long as I can remember and as well as that I am fascinated by science and the wonders that it exposes. The two for me do not conflict at all, I am comfortable with both 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BIG G wheton machine 1,594 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 I don't believe in the big bang shte either because if nothingness was there wtf banged? that gets them all. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Malt 379 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Cop out.. Go on Born, show him the equations that prove that everything can come from nothing like it did in the big bang.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BIG G wheton machine 1,594 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 for proof off god and the kingdom of heaven ask people who died and got resuscitated seems to be nearly all off them say the same thing. about going on the journey. and all describe the same place Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,751 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Cop out.. Go on Born, show him the equations that prove that everything can come from nothing like it did in the big bang.. Bit out of my depth that Malt, just tickled me "all that big bang shite", LOL. Showing the universe is expanding is one thing but showing what happened at time = 0 is another all together. There are many views out there on something we can currently only theorise, how it all went off etc, but I understand they share the fundamental that all we have now was there before just in a different form following a different set of laws. 'Nothingness' isn't quite accurate! All that's a little off topic though, but I guess that's how these things go eh. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Drebz87 39 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 the big bang happened when penny met leonard and sheldon . . . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Drebz87 39 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 However there's also the flip side of the universe expanding is that its slowly shrinking, i'll try finding a link, read it somewhere when was bored lol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Cop out.. Go on Born, show him the equations that prove that everything can come from nothing like it did in the big bang.. Bit out of my depth that Malt, just tickled me "all that big bang shite", LOL. Showing the universe is expanding is one thing but showing what happened at time = 0 is another all together. There are many views out there on something we can currently only theorise, how it all went off etc, but I understand they share the fundamental that all we have now was there before just in a different form following a different set of laws. 'Nothingness' isn't quite accurate! All that's a little off topic though, but I guess that's how these things go eh. Brian Cox explained how it was possible for the big bang to happen on some program I watched a while back. I didn't really understand it then, I certainly don't understand it now, I just know it's possible because Brian Cox said it was.. My mates misses who is studying astrophysics could probably tell me as well, but again I probably wouldn't understand or would forget rather quickly! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,751 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Brian Cox explained how it was possible for the big bang to happen on some program I watched a while back. I didn't really understand it then, I certainly don't understand it now, I just know it's possible because Brian Cox said it was.. My mates misses who is studying astrophysics could probably tell me as well, but again I probably wouldn't understand or would forget rather quickly! Mate, all I know is Penny is fit a f**k!......... and if that geek Leonard can pull her then there's gotta be hope for me! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hot Meat 3,109 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 You remind me of Sheldon born lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,751 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 You remind me of Sheldon born lol Ooooo Amy Farrah Fowler! Hot Damn! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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