paulus 26 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Baw, I believe in God and I make no apology for it. But if you think I believe in a god like you described "a guy in the clouds" I'd best elaborate a little. . I believe in the God of the bible: a triune, omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent, uncreated creator, who is not limited to a body like ours. . To say that the crimes committed by the Spanish inquisition made the nazis look like naughty schoolboys is a deplorable statement and something only a complete and utter idiot would say. I'll play no further participation in this thread. ATB Obviously he isn't restricted to a body like ours he's god after all so tell me mate, after he created man etc, what's he done since this god? Has he had his feet up all this time? hes been on the black land with KC Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Seeker 3,048 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Hail woden Hail Woden Yeah cause paganism is much easier to accept with witches and wise men with special healing powers dancing round a set of stones bollock naked worshiping mother nature and other green men. "hail Hogwarts" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,870 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 religion is the alcohol of the weak minded Just like Karl Marx, your wrong. Religion was invented by very clever people, to further their own aims and to keep the common people in shackles, and discourage free thinking, all the main patriarch based religions are the best fairy stories ever told, albeit very clever ones, they have been the cause of more death and suffering than anything in history, the spanish inquisition for instance makes the crimes of the Nazis look like a naughty schoolboy prank in comparison, religion breeds fanaticism, it is as plain as the nose on your face, but still the sheep follow. Hmmm you have no idea what you are talking about. But thats OK. The inquisition was hard on people who were percieved as Heritics. This is a historical fact. Sadly the techniques used then were the same as were used on criminals. Comparing them to the Nazi's makes it sound like you are just spewing some pre-fab Rhetoric. Kind of like the guys over here who listen to talk radio. ATB Take a peak at the museum of the Spanish Inquisition they feckers were really hardcore and yes they did make the Nazis look like the cast of Balamory. BUT you cannot place the morals of today on the people back then as they were either completely brainwashed by the religion or so in fear for their lives or their families lives they just went along with it... Sounds like most Muslim countries today 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
charlie caller 3,654 Posted January 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Ahh hello old boy I wondered how long it would be before you piped up, so lets understand this correctly then, are we to understand that you find the undeniable forces of nature, that man has harnessed for thousands of years harder to grasp than a book written by some Jews in the sand, that actually asks you to believe that Jesus parents never had rampant sex and he was born from a virgin? he walked on water, turned water into wine, died, (for our miserable sins obviously) came back to life and then f***ed off never to be seen again, and a host of other illusions, not to mention his own people cadjoling the Romans into killing him, FFS its laughable, next you will be telling me Adam and eve were the first humans, what a hooooot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
*The*Field*Marshall* 674 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 OK, charlie caller, I apologise, no offence intended, whilst I maintain the statement was idiotic, I don’t think your idiot. . However I do believe you have been misinformed, the Spanish inquisition was said to be responsible for 3-5 THOUSEND deaths, not the 6-7 MILLION Jews the Nazis were responsible for, that’s not including the other millions of people. . You’re initial statement would have been spot on had the compassion been made the other way round. Baw, I believe God has done more than we can ever comprehend, not least He chose a man (Abraham) and his descendants to document through the scriptures a plan of salvation right up to the saviour himself. He showed that salvation could not be obtained through the good works of man; He did this when He gave Moses the Ten Commandments. Then when the time was right He sent his only begotten son, the second person of the Godhead, who came and died on a cross in our place, for our sins. . Ironically He was killed by the people who prophesied His coming. I guess that’s not what you mean though? You mean why isn’t He doing anything about all the wrong doings in this World? Well, I believe a long time ago, our representatives showed God the middle finger, effectively saying “we’ll do it our way” just like you, me and the rest of mind kind do any given day, unfortunately we cannot do it our way and expect God to pick up the pieces when it goes wrong. . I am also reassured by the notion, that despite the fact that I don’t know all the answers to my questions now, it doesn’t mean that they won’t be revealed to me in time. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Hail wodenHail Woden Yeah cause paganism is much easier to accept with witches and wise men with special healing powers dancing round a set of stones bollock naked worshiping mother nature and other green men. "hail Hogwarts" was not the word witch used to persecute pagans who used nature to heal by those with religion who believed in a man who could heal the sick, turn water into wine and feed the population of china on a tin of pilchards Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BIG G wheton machine 1,594 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 how could mary not have given birth never having the dent (sex). its quite possible for artificial insemination to have been used by the controlling forces at work. I believ in god myself. but that's only me. as john lennon once wrote. god is a concept by which we measure our pain. each to their own I say Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe67 239 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 ancient aliens comment was ignored lol...god or aliens whats more difficult to believe? i am unsure lol, what i do find interesting though is how people hundreds of years ago knew what they did and were able to do some things they did when at that time it should be impossible, who showed them, in those days how would people with such knowledge be classed, as gods? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,751 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 ancient aliens comment was ignored lol...god or aliens whats more difficult to believe? i am unsure lol, what i do find interesting though is how people hundreds of years ago knew what they did and were able to do some things they did when at that time it should be impossible, who showed them, in those days how would people with such knowledge be classed, as gods? And you expect people to get behind you on Scottish independance! f***ing crackpot! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe67 239 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 hahaha, fair one... can find anything on youtube lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRpm_MKonGQ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CHIP 39 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 how could mary not have given birth never having the dent (sex). some say she was a parthenogenetic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 lol oh its 7million now is it ffs go do a wee bit reading before coming on here with outlandish claims. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Seeker 3,048 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Interesting to see such a wide of views, I do find it amusing though that only Christians are labelled as the kooks, pagens atheists, agnostics even people who believe in aliens are almost accepted but fcuk me mention the big G word and your a jam jar spectacled wearing lunatic with no life. Agnostics I kind of get, you want to be convinced and won't commit either way it's the aethiests that get me. The aethiests categorically will not accept any suggestion of creation that there could be a more sentient being who could be responsible for life as we know it. How arrogant to think that we are so advanced so intelligent that there can be not other explication other than we just exist. No its much easier and makes a aeithiest feel more intelligent to ridicule someone who has a faith as surely they must be less intelligent. We have created major engineering feats, advanced further that any life form on the planet even flown into space whoopee feckin do so we must know everything? Are we so ignorant that we think we are as intelligent as it gets? What if we can't comprehend or even begin to understand a creator (or God) Could we explain to an insect how an internal combustion engine works what if we had to? Do I believe there is a man in a white gown with a long white beard sat on a cloud? Not for a second, Do I think there is more to life than just this? You bet I do. Seriously have you never even wondered why humans are the only species out of the millions and millins on the planet that have evolved to such a level where we can communicate with a language, I don't mean animal grunts and squeaks but to fully communicate as we do, or how we are able to use science to create the billions of inventions and medicines yet no other life form has even come near to us. If Darwin was correct and I do agree with much of his theory of evolution then why have we not got at least one other being we can compare to ourselves. I wish no ill will to anyone and it's just my opinion, if I'm thought of any less for having a faith then fine I've big shoulders I stopped being embarrassed along time ago about such things. We each need to fine our own way As Lennon once sang "whatever gets you through the night" 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Great post Seeker.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,751 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 I'm an avid athieist because I'm capable of making an intelligent decision in light of all the facts rather than sitting on the fence. I believe in Gravity and reject all other hypothesis pertaining to why shit drops, doesn't mean I'm ignorant to the facts or blind in my beliefe. Athiests reject God theories because it makes no logical sense to them, untill presented with facts to the contrary why should they simply sit undecided like an agnostic? We catagorically do not accept creation because there is ZERO evidence to support it. Atheists are not blind in their beliefe, quite the opposite. Presented with evidence to the contrary a level headed atheist WOULD change their views... Simple fact is their is no evidence to suggest a God in any form exists, it's pure faith. So why I'm arrogant for not believing in a God I don't know? 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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