spiderfly 111 Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Ok I'm in a bit of a hole my Bitch pup nearly 8months is nervous to the extent that she doesn't want to be caught, now I breed the pup so everyday I and mates have been with her, walked every day since 12 weeks.but in the kennel she stays in the box till I clear the gate wide open, never raised my hand or voice to the Bitch but it is annoying me I've put so much time in and now she's a c**t to catch in the kennel and.in the field, and if u kiss her arse she won't go back in the van to go home, I haven't given up I'm given her treats since 3 months since I noticed she was naturally nervous, she dam can be funny natured aswell but does as she told but I don't know were it all went wrong.. I've bought balls of nervous of dogs and brought them right in a few weeks but shes get worse, she trained to the lead, gates, retrieving was never her strong point as she didn't want to get caught! I never roughed her, she whippet xbullx collie xgreyhound! Her brother from the same litter I also own and his a nut case and does as his told a Dream to work wit! So what can I do or is it in her nature? What do u think? Quote Link to post
Davro 108 Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 sounds like it in its nature, iv a dog pup the same take it out for exercise an when it time to lead up it fucks of home on its own, done it today an took my 8 month old pup with him, that the last he ever be out loose with my pup 2 Quote Link to post
wuyang 513 Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Got one here now 2 years old. So sensitive it unreal, she's a bit better than she was, but it can be real hard work sometimes.......shame because other than that she's really nice natured. One thing that really annoys me is if it's heavy rain when where out go out she goes into a different mind set and may just sulk about when off the lead or just sit down shaking, sometimes she just snaps out of it, so odd. Other than time and encouragement it can be a battle and one that isn't won, but more of a compromise if you can put up with that.......it's a pain. Quote Link to post
bird 9,983 Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 well I think you covered everything with her, and I would have done the same as you . I hate sensitive dogs I just loose respect for them, I try to think different about them but I carnt change neither can they. all my dogs are nervy of me, because I am to dominate with them but that's me as a person, some blokes would be softer towards them but we all different. I suppose its really if there good at there job in the field, that counts well for me it does ,because if you carnt get on with the dog temp and its not doing what you want in field , why keep it? life to short to keep fecking about with things like this. Bryn my dog ive said many times I don't like his temp, but he been great at his job in the field, if he hadn't he would have been gone years back, my pup Buck similar temp to Bryn , which I don't like but showing promise in the field, so I will see how it goes ith him for the future.? with your pup be honest with your self, if you really carnt get on with it , let somebody else have her who might get on better with that type temp, I know I couldn't . 2 Quote Link to post
spiderfly 111 Posted January 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 well I think you covered everything with her, and I would have done the same as you . I hate sensitive dogs I just loose respect for them, I try to think different about them but I carnt change neither can they. all my dogs are nervy of me, because I am to dominate with them but that's me as a person, some blokes would be softer towards them but we all different. I suppose its really if there good at there job in the field, that counts well for me it does ,because if you carnt get on with the dog temp and its not doing what you want in field , why keep it? life to short to keep fecking about with things like this. Bryn my dog ive said many times I don't like his temp, but he been great at his job in the field, if he hadn't he would have been gone years back, my pup Buck similar temp to Bryn , which I don't like but showing promise in the field, so I will see how it goes ith him for the future.? with your pup be honest with your self, if you really carnt get on with it , let somebody else have her who might get on better with that type temp, I know I couldn't . selling is not an option in my eyes as I wouldnt like to catch anyone! But I'm glad in one sense to hear a few of you guys have the same problem! :/ I wonder is it her age?bird what is it in your dogs that drives you mad? 1 Quote Link to post
TAXI DRIVER 549 Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 I had similar problems with a dog,it started when about 6 months old and was a twat to get hold of.Once it reached 12 months old it was a different animal and all the training I`d done had paid off.I forced it to have contact with me by keeping it on the lead and stroking it loads etc and getting it to sit and rewarding it with treats.Once it knows you`re the boss and fun to be with it`ll be ok.Good luck and don`t give up. Quote Link to post
bird 9,983 Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 well I think you covered everything with her, and I would have done the same as you . I hate sensitive dogs I just loose respect for them, I try to think different about them but I carnt change neither can they. all my dogs are nervy of me, because I am to dominate with them but that's me as a person, some blokes would be softer towards them but we all different. I suppose its really if there good at there job in the field, that counts well for me it does ,because if you carnt get on with the dog temp and its not doing what you want in field , why keep it? life to short to keep fecking about with things like this. Bryn my dog ive said many times I don't like his temp, but he been great at his job in the field, if he hadn't he would have been gone years back, my pup Buck similar temp to Bryn , which I don't like but showing promise in the field, so I will see how it goes ith him for the future.? with your pup be honest with your self, if you really carnt get on with it , let somebody else have her who might get on better with that type temp, I know I couldn't . selling is not an option in my eyes as I wouldnt like to catch anyone! But I'm glad in one sense to hear a few of you guys have the same problem! :/ I wonder is it her age?bird what is it in your dogs that drives you mad? not selling her mate, you tried your best I think, make sure she went to a somebody you know or would give a good life but with the temp to suit the dog, you would know from talking to them if they cope with her temp wouldn't you. with me it the reprimand to the dog, meaning say it done something wrong , so you reprimand it tell it off, nothing brutal or hard just tug with it collar or do it on the lead, all that you would do in a dog training class,i know went years ago, so it nothing over the top. but I have to really give them kid glove stuff, or they just switch off and may as well be out with goldfish on my walk than them wimps.you get fed up of acting like this I think , you living a lie deep down, you not being the real you . so I think well they are working dogs and had them for job 1st, and pet 2nd so I will make allowances if they good at the job in the field, that's why I got them Quote Link to post
cammy12 176 Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 ive had bother with a nervous dog but its was a springer, she was kennelled outside and would stay in her box if any strangers around or kids. what i did was bring her in the house not to sleep but to be socialise with us and my couple of house terriers after a while she steadily improved not totally fixed but manageable, she is excellent in the field with loads of folk around and goes daft when the gun comes out but still runs in her box when stranger comes in garden a fault I can live with, all the best with your bitch mate 1 Quote Link to post
hunting mad 147 Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 My brother had a young dog like this was a pain to catch and to come to you until he was about 14 months then came pretty good like he just grew out of it [BANNED TEXT] he started regular work. He hit a gate 1 night though on a rabbit [BANNED TEXT] where I was standing and never came withing 10 feet of me again after that. Quote Link to post
skycat 6,174 Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Any dog can be made nervous through incorrect handling: as Bird has illustrated, and generally the more intelligent the dog the more sensitive it is: note I said 'generally', as a high drive dog overcomes the sensitivity to a certain extent, though even these can be turned into cowering wrecks if mishandled regularly. A dog that is inherently (genetically) nervy, living in a state of perpetual fear and tension, is a nightmare to handle. I've had very nervy, highly-strung dogs, but they've worked very well indeed, and not been frightened of me. I'm not saying I'm any better a trainer than the next person, but surely, once we notice that a dog has an inbuilt set of behaviour traits, we, as the supposedly more intelligent animal of the two, should adapt our behaviour and training methods to suit the individual dog. I also feel that some dogs are just defective and the harder you try, the worse they become, no matter how gently you treat them. In my experience, this sort is better put down or given to a really good pet home where they don't have to prove themselves in the field. Sometimes, very laid back homes where there is no pressure on the dog at all can work out, but not always. Generally speaking, if an animal has a truly defective gene which makes it too fearful to work with, the problem gets worse as the animal matures. Very occasionally they do get better, but only if the exact nature of their fear is understood and worked with in such a way that the dog is given more confidence. 1 Quote Link to post
Big bald beautiful 1,231 Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 How a person can contribute to a topic like this and be known to thrash his dogs to a state where they are scared of him I will never know. 1 Quote Link to post
weasle 1,119 Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 If you decide its not for you do the dog a favour and pts. I had one i wasted 6 months with,it fell into the type skycat mentioned,there was no helping it,every thing i tried seem to work untill the dog learned what was going on and he would then fight that,went weeks without being able to touch him at all,food in kennel walk away,run up and close the gate.Couple of times i had to grab him any one thats ever handled fox hounds at injection time will know the score,he wouldnt stop untill you where able to clip the lead on. Then one day he wouldnt jump in van to go a walk so i left him home came back to find hed jumped in with chickens hed been withfor 6 months at that point and killed the lot. Could go on on,but i decicded he was a liabilty and didnt see any way of taking him on any of my permission and being able to trust him. As much as i didnt want to fail he was pts,what a weight of my shoulders,never again would i personally go any were near a nervous dog,dont mind sensitive. Quote Link to post
skycat 6,174 Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 How a person can contribute to a topic like this and be known to thrash his dogs to a state where they are scared of him I will never know. No dog needs thrashing like that There's more than one way to get a dog to do what you want it to, and it should never involve beating the dog to a state of nerves. If people bothered to try and understand what makes dogs tick they'd know that thrashing isn't the answer. I'm not saying they shouldn't be corrected in the right way if they've deliberately done something they know is wrong: such as stock chasing, and all dogs need to respect their owners as boss and leader. I've made mistakes in the past, and lost my cool with a dog, but I learned how to do things better. Someone who continues to make the same bad mistakes in dog handling, dog after dog, doesn't deserve to own one. 2 Quote Link to post
spiderfly 111 Posted January 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Well I'm undecided still because I never hit her so, I don't know I don't want to put my blood line to sleep,, I'm stressed and it's 2 wet to take her out ! Quote Link to post
arcticgun 4,548 Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Watch the dam with them as pups she show you how too check em propet, samell sharp dig in shoulder suffice, once they up and maturing voice alone should be enough, failing that walk away if the bonds right they soon desist and follow along, waste of time n effort is beating a dog, need to be more resourceful or ya in wrong game 4 Quote Link to post
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