Breaking To Sheep

[Aeron 43]

sheep aint quarry.... so we dont break anything!! all terrier terrier pups from a young age, now when i say terrier i mean earth dog used soley for vermin control underground... should have already been schooled from a very early age that sheep are part of the landscape and prescide above ground and are to be protected not tortured! once the terrier owner gets this in his mindset not his ego, then instead of the pub he will spend time schooling his pup.....

So , any animal that isnt there as part of the landscape should be tortured , .

NO animal should be tortured ! Wether it is part of the landscape or not ! OR Below/above ground !

[keepdiggin 9,561]

my bullx did a sheep last season, I was gutted.

[liamdelaney 2,587]

my bullx did a sheep last season, I was gut

How much did that cost you?

[THLpatrick 555]

 

Once the're " STOCK BROKEN " don't let them run free with Dogs you dont Know are a !00%..

It'll Undo All your Hard work Once one starts,they''l find it hard NOT to join in....and from then on you will be wary of letting them free to roam out from you .

Some Terriers I believe have just got a streak in them,they can't help themselves, as soon as a bit of freedom is given.if it moves their having it ,depends if you can put up with a dog on the leash most of it's life & is worth the inconvienance

I'd agree with that mate.

 

I'd also say that if your unsure or a dogs history never give it the opportunity. Like that bull cross in my previous post, with you around they can be good as gold but with your back turned...!!

 

I once owned a smart smooth black dog, Mick, of a similar stamp to Nuttall's original Miner. Always been 100% with mutton when I was around, even off a lead, totally ignored 'em and decent enough underground, though he did let himself down twice buy humping fresh air after sniffing near season bitches and wanting to go up one hole rather than down another..!

Anyways, up the Lakes one summers day with a new girlfriend, Kirkby-Lonsdale to be exact and after boring her senseless with my knowledge of Cyril Breay (all out of Plummers Fell terrier book!), we'd got a bit of lunch from the village and as it was a hot day, walked to the park next to Devils Bridge to look at the loons jumping off into the pools of the boulder strewn river Lune (that wasn't supposed to rhyme!).

 

Lovely spot on the bench, all fenced in too, except for the wide enough river, so I let Mick off to have a sniff around as a fresh wave of nutters went flying.

After being totally engrossed for about 10 mins I thought where's that bloody dog, because he never goes far? So I took off to find him... What I did find was that the park was longer than I first thought, much longer. What i also noticed was that it also contained sheep and the further i got, more and more sheep. Along the river bank I trotted until I came upon a line of Kagool wearing folk, looking a bit angry.

 

"Anyone seen a little black dog" I asked almost nervous?

 

"Yes", came a stern reply, "Its down there in the river, killing a sheep"..!!!

 

I ran as fast as I could, past other orange and yellow clad folk, all seemingly with a face of disgust, muttering about Scouse idiots with loose dogs and poor 'ol sheep.. And then I saw them, out in the river, between boulders, a sheep in full fleece, struggling against both the water and the terrier, standing square on its back, biting down as hard as it could..!!

I ran right in and scruffed the little fecker but the sheep went into more of a panic and tried to head out further and was on its way under, I grabbed a horn and held on but the critter was struggling and also, because of that wet fleece weighed a ton!

I needed two hands for this, so I flung Mick with one hand as far as I could into deep water and started to pull the sheep shallower. It was still some bloody effort and by then a small crowd had gathered on the bank to watch the carnage. Boy was it embarrassing but it was about to get a whole lot worse...!

 

I was waist deep but making good headway with the sheep and thinking it's all under control but just then Mick arrived back and before I could grab him latched back onto the sheep's shoulder, twisting and pulling as a dog does in water. I scruffed the dog off again but now with only one hand I was about to loose the sheep, which was still trying to go the opposit way. The little fecker was going apeshit for the sheep and I totally panicked and done the only thing I could think of to stop the screaming and wriggling dog... I butted him...!!!!!

Thankfully, I didn't really connect, bit difficult to in that situation! In hindsight, not the best, nor most subtle course of action either, very wrong and in front of a crowd but It did produce the right result, the dog calmed down and I got them both to safety, (not that I was gonna get any applause for this one.!).

The crowd was dispersing as we got to the bank and I checked the sheep over quickly, it was unharmed, that thick wet fleece may have seen it go under the water but saved it from the dogs jaws. Thank feck for that! Mick was ok too but gave me that cock eyed' sideways look as he went back on a lead.

 

My girlfriend looked both confused and shocked when we returned to the bench soaking wet, she'd been there all the time, with her food and the bridge jumpers to keep her entertained. She thought I'd jumped and she'd missed it..! I told her 'some' of the tale on the way home, i was too embarrassed to tell all....

 

I wonder what Mr Breay would have made if it...!

 

 

 

hahaha, what a date

[keepdiggin 9,561]

bottle of whisky and gave him a hand putting a fence up

[block end 242]

D4g don't break is or nugget to lazy to do it DTD

not again this a tidy thread go knock they door you got something to say over and out

[jawn 449]

Breaking a terrier of any kind from livestock isn't rocket science.......anyone can do it. You basically want to impress upon the dog the severity of the consequences of even LOOKING at whatever it is you don't want them looking at. The easiest, most effective way is with an e-collar. I use a tritronics trashbreaker. Keep in mind they have got to screw up in order to learn how not to.

 

Or....you can just let them be terriers.

:whistling:

 

[Mosby 355]

G*Dammit Jawn! You're showing what jagds are really about. Now we'll never convince those folks across the pond.

[neil cooney 10,416]

Absolutely nothing to be proud of in that photograph and it shows IMO someone who can't train a dog.

Any cur will hang out of a sheep and when that cur has help, it thinks "happy days".

And an electric collar is not the easiest or best way to stock break a dog. It means you've failed as a trainer and is an alternative to the bullet.

The most efficient way to stock break a strong willed dog such as a working terrier is to give a sharp "NO" to the dog every time it does something you don't want it to do, ie. barking, chewing a kennel, jumping up on people and then in the field when it show's an interest in some thing it shouldn't. This part of training starts at a young age.

As has been already said sheep should become part of the scenery and a dog when loose shouldn't even give them a second glance.

In this neck of the woods there's nothing that will turn a farmer anti-hunting quicker than bad hunters with out of control dogs.

 

Also IMO a proper dog man wouldn't reach for his camera when his 3 dogs are hanging out of a lamb.

Edited February 1, 2014 by neil cooney

[stop.end 4,082]

 

sheep aint quarry.... so we dont break anything!! all terrier terrier pups from a young age, now when i say terrier i mean earth dog used soley for vermin control underground... should have already been schooled from a very early age that sheep are part of the landscape and prescide above ground and are to be protected not tortured! once the terrier owner gets this in his mindset not his ego, then instead of the pub he will spend time schooling his pup.....

So , any animal that isnt there as part of the landscape should be tortured , .

NO animal should be tortured ! Wether it is part of the landscape or not ! OR Below/above ground !

 

lol..sorry maybe i worded it wrong! anything above ground if a terrier pup has been reared right should be seen as part of the landscape..i.e. something they see every day and should know to leave well alone as neil said if enough time is spent with a pup then NO means NO!... and correct no animal, human or anything else on this planet should ever be tortured...but i meant if a terrier pup is constantly chasing sheep then hes worrying them! or in other words torturing them... so if my languange and dog sense is different from yours lad, im sorry . but.settle yourself!

[Mosby 355]

I have broken dogs with the "firm no" method and the electronic method. Neither makes you a failure at training if the desired end is met. But the fact that the first many replies to this topic were that one could not livestock break a terrier shows that the old tri-Tronics is much more reliable. In my area, a person cannot successfully hunt any unbroken dog anywhere. There are too many. Trash species and livestock. To say a terrier can't be broken to livestock is a good laugh to me. I've had some that refused to be broken but most will be.

But I raise most of my terriers near livestock. I also haven't used electronic for livestock breaking, but for deer and elk it has been very handy. The e- collars are an excellent tool. Not to be laughed at. It will literally cut your time spent breaking into a third.

[neil cooney 10,416]

Like I said Mosby, the e-collar in my opinion should be the last alternative to the bullet.

And yes, I agree that there are terriers that just cannot be trusted with livestock but unlike hounds or lurchers it's not the end of the world. It just restricts the amount of hunting you can do with your terrier.

[morton 5,368]

Im more than proud of the fact I will never take a mutt out and about unless it is stockbroken,yet my sapling Lakey is a jukel that ill never trust,it flicks a switch and goes into chase and slay mode,i know the majority of training methods to correct the dogs indiscipline,tried tested and utilised with results,yet the little fecker tests all my resolve and ill never trust it,if it was a lurcher id bury it,i work it where I can,with confidence,then its on a lead.The vast,vast majority of mutts are readily broken to stock,some terriers, when the switch flicks,can never be trusted,its how the responsible owner deals with said jukels,when they allow us.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Just for my twopence worth i think it says more about the owner than the dog in this situation.As said it should start from a very early stage reinforcing what is right/wrong.Does help to have an older dog that knows the rules to help school a pup .The use of an electric collar is the result of a crass failure on the owners part somewhere along the line .Please dont associate its use with the heavier breeds of dog as they are all easy to stockbreak.

[dytkos 17,819]

Just for my twopence worth i think it says more about the owner than the dog in this situation.As said it should start from a very early stage reinforcing what is right/wrong.Does help to have an older dog that knows the rules to help school a pup .The use of an electric collar is the result of a crass failure on the owners part somewhere along the line .Please dont associate its use with the heavier breeds of dog as they are all easy to stockbreak.

Went out for a shine last night, mixed terrain, mixed ground, grass, plough, stubble, seed.

Had to climb over a hedge from one field to another in which there was a small flock of sheep.

To save the hang ups I let both dogs off the slip, heaved myself up on the top and they were both "looking"

All I had to do was say "no, sheep," (you fuckers, LOL) and no problem.

Can't imagine the outcome if they were not 100%( ) stock broken.

It really is a no brainer TBH.

 

Cheers, D.