Bolting Foxes/hard Terriers

[Dan Davies 7]

Have no experience with terriers/digging at all but like to watch the hunt now and again and I'm wondering which breed of terrier do they use to bolt a fox? And how are they trained not to hold the fox?? Hope someone can give me some more knowledge on the subject

[neil cooney 10,416]

There's a few breeds of reliable working terriers left to do the job.

You don't train a terrier to work, they do it because they love it and are bred for it (for centuries) .

The terrier man just has to enter them nice and sensibly.

[pernod 466]

When you watch the hunt. What types of terriers do you see??.

 

Pernod

[BIG G wheton machine 1,594]

a fox bolts when it wants too unless worked into a stop and any type bolt them, even ferrets

[Dan Davies 7]

I couldn't tell you what terriers specific breed they were Pernod I should imagen it's a patterdale? Or maybe some sort of Russell cross, I'm not clueless to earth work just never had an Involvment, a lurcherman I am ha! I'd love to get my own terrier as I could have a fair bit of work for it , it's just i don't no enough about it to risk the dogs safety...

[fox digger 1,086]

if the hunt could design a terrier to bolt every fox there would be no need to carry the shovel!! as said any terrier is capable of bolting a fox if he has a route to go, if he is in a stop end the hunt prefer bayers that will mark there quarry till dug and not take too much stick. it tends to be a harder terrier that will take hold of the quarry and there is hard types in all breeds be they Russell, patterdale, lakeland or whatever. its only from entering the dog that you know/find out what way it works.

[Dan Davies 7]

that explains why they have so many types of terrier? so a patterdale isnt a "hard" terrier as such? im not just referring to a hunt terrier i mean like an all round terrier? if ever there was one? of course a bull type terrier wouldnt be much good for baying up a fox?

[rob284 1,682]

Ye a bull type can bay, its the individual dog, its a lottery. Then again why would someone use a bull type as it only adds size.

[jamie mc 168]

[just jack 998]

french bulldog

[fox digger 1,086]

that explains why they have so many types of terrier? so a patterdale isnt a "hard" terrier as such? im not just referring to a hunt terrier i mean like an all round terrier? if ever there was one? of course a bull type terrier wouldnt be much good for baying up a fox?

not quite, the patterdale as a whole is a hard type terrier, there is a massive amount of them that mix it steady and bay, i have some of them! but in comparison to other breeds such as the russell the odds would be the majority are bayers mixers but you can get several hard types in this breed also. different lines of every breed are breed to work a certain way, ie a hard patterdale bitch put to a hard patterdale dog will "in theory" produce hard type pups, especially if the parents are bred down from a line of hard types and in most lines the blood in the dog and bitch will be similar and have the same ancestors so chances are the pups will be predictable. (if they work) similar applies to bayers/mixers, bayer to bayer and chances of getting a hard dog back is less likely. if the dog and bitch are unrelated and just a worker from x breed put to worker from y breed then the chances of predicting the outcome will be less successful as pup could throw back to grandparents and so on.

 

does this make it any clearer?

 

PS bull crosses arent the most common fox dog as the size usually restricts them in tight holes.

Edited January 8, 2014 by fox digger

[fireman 11,009]

Something just don't feel right about the leading questions imo.

[fox digger 1,086]

 

Something just don't feel right about the leading questions imo.

 

 

if we dont say anything silly there is no harm in answering! give him the benefit and all that....

[the_stig 6,614]

how many times have you followed the hunt up the bolt

[gonetoearth 5,144]

Maltease terriers are all the rage these days as the sneak up and bark very loud thus scaring the fox and making it extreamly keen to leave the earth. So ive been told