Kamikazes

[Davro 108]

finishing the job or would you rather have something a bit more steady

[nothernlite 18,089]

Prefer one that tries rather than will aye or will aye not what do you mean by steady a plodder that goes on and on

Edited January 8, 2014 by nothernlite

[iceman001979 1,316]

Depends on what your talking about or what your hunting.

[desertbred 5,490]

Finishing the job in what ? hunting lamping etc or coursing as in coursing the kill is not the important issue, the actual running is where the enjoyment is the kill is the anti climax. In Matches 3/3 etc then the kill gains a lot more significance but good sport is different from a good pot fill or killing for the sake of killing.

[Bosun11 537]

Finishing the job in what ? hunting lamping etc or coursing as in coursing the kill is not the important issue, the actual running is where the enjoyment is the kill is the anti climax. In Matches 3/3 etc then the kill gains a lot more significance but good sport is different from a good pot fill or killing for the sake of killing.

Whilst I do see where your coming from DB, from what I know of coursing with lurchers, in the main, the end result is everything! That is what you measure a dog by, sport or not. You/we may all enjoy the run but a dog is judged on what it kills, not how well its ran, that only follows the end result. Form always follows function.

[desertbred 5,490]

 

Finishing the job in what ? hunting lamping etc or coursing as in coursing the kill is not the important issue, the actual running is where the enjoyment is the kill is the anti climax. In Matches 3/3 etc then the kill gains a lot more significance but good sport is different from a good pot fill or killing for the sake of killing.

Whilst I do see where your coming from DB, from what I know of coursing with lurchers, in the main, the end result is everything! That is what you measure a dog by, sport or not. You/we may all enjoy the run but a dog is judged on what it kills, not how well its ran, that only follows the end result. Form always follows function.

 

that is the difference in hunters and coursers my dogs invariably kill at the end of the course but I dont get that much satisfaction from the kill, I have lived where the kill meant food on the table but here that is not a essential part of daily living so the sportimg aspect means more to me every one to thier own the important thing is to be out thier on the land and enjoying what you do

[Giro 2,648]

I don't like a reckless runner...

 

I had one and its not here now

 

It was 4 years old and went out less than 12 times.. Rest of its time in was laid up with some crazy injury..

 

I was out lamping with two old steady runners the other night..

 

Both 9/10 they have lost pace and stamina, but anything that they got spinning, ended up in the trays at the game dealers..

 

Reckless dogs have short working careers or life's even

[lapin2008 1,587]

I have a very reckless dog.

He is 2 1/2 years old and borderline in a position where he will need to be retired with various injuries some of which reoccuring ones. I am in the process of basically trying to physio him back to somewhere he can be run again but only time will tell and he will be pretty much out of action for the rest of the season.

 

He is very good in some ways so I am persevering with him in the hope I can get another season or so out of him before he keels over in a big arthritic mess.

 

I could get my head round it if he just ran into a post one night and that was it, but minor injury after injury and months of being laid up for months is a difficult one for both him and me

[Bosun11 537]

I like a full on trier and a good striker but if it's injury prone does that make it reckless?

 

Out of my half crosses in the past Buck was the most 'full-on' i've owned but hardly ever picked up injury, especially when I think back how much and how I used him.

Ox, the last of 'em is more like his dam and has a more laid back style (at least in comparison to Buck!) and with him i've had so much injury you'd think the dog had a suicide wish! I'd have to say Buck fitted the bill of reckless, Ox never has...

 

Timmyk's good bitch Pepper, such a full on, heart in mouth bitch but remains relatively injury free at around 6 now. I've been predicting an early demise for this bitch since her first outings but she has a certain sommat that keeps her running and us wincing but the results have always been there....

 

What determines that, brain, balance, agility etc.... I really don't know but I really do think, having seen so many different types run over the years, that some dogs simply have a better survival rate than others, no matter how they run.

[bird 9,969]

trier 1st choise, ok they might not make old bones ,but what great sport they give you. Self preservation ok up to a point, but not everthing ?

[Davro 108]

trier 1st choise, ok they might not make old bones ,but what great sport they give you. Self preservation ok up to a point, but not everthing ?

same here ray and for who ever ask i was just refering to rabbits day or night it nice to watch dog giving its all going over the body an getting up with its catch, they dont get them all but at least there trying

[hounddog3 751]

a trier for me and when the chase goes a little bit longer then the stamina kick,s in and bring,s it in around your feet so you don't have to guess what there doing.

[Ideation 8,216]

Kamikaze? Reckless? Driven? Accident prone? As Bosun said, they kind of blur and mix up, and whilst meaning similar, they don't quite mean the same thing.

 

You get plenty of reckless dogs, that don't quite fit the kamikaze bill, as they usually walk away unscathed, and like has been said, there are accident prone dogs, that just seem to get broken from nothing.

 

I think I've got a pretty reckless dog here, probably kamikaze fits the bill well enough. He's certainly driven, and at times most definatly accident prone!

 

It's great to watch at times, but it wears thin after a while. After all, the point of having a running dog, is to run it. Mine has numerous injuries over the season, although to be fair, he's tough for his breed and has always bounced back, and as I work him a lot he manages to get a full enough season in. But one day, I've no doubt if I keep lamping the fecker, i'll have to bury him early.

 

But like I said, the drive is impressive.

 

Good example - last month he was in full pursuit of a rabbit running the edge of a ditch, the rabbit dropped in just as the ditch went under the road, so he hit the end wall flat out, there was a hell of a thud and I was sure he was dead, he had impacted across his chest and kneck and it had whipped his head forward into the top of the banking. The rabbit jumped out of the ditch and took off across the field. All of a sudden up jumps the dog, and speeds off in pursuit of the rabbit, he turns it and it goes through a hedge, the dog slams straight through, snapping various bits of wood and some old fencing and catches the rabbit on the other side, coming back through the hedge.

 

It was only then that I noticed that when he hit the ditch he ripped his front lower teeth out through the gums, and snapped his canine in half, a long with numerous other scrapes and cuts. He had blood dripping out of his mouth and over his face and he was standing there wagging his tail, proudly holding the rabbit. . . . with a shit eating grin on his face.

[Giro 2,648]

I had one running into stonewalls.. It was jumping six foot plus fences after cats..

 

It would do a whole street of back gardens.. Once got away, I could hear crash, bang & wallop. People screaming, more crashing. The dog had knocked over someone's BBQ & shamed a green house panel..

 

It was well behaved until it got into to full flight, then it was unstoppable..

 

It was a lunatic..

 

Its injuries were due to it having no self preservation it had some serious pray drive.. Was swimming proper rivers to get to a swan on the other side..

 

The dog was nothing but stress and vet bills for me..

 

Real shame as I bred it myself..

[gnipper 6,526]

My old dog bounced off allsorts over his career but the worst he ever did was break a nail running on a track and chip a couple of his canine teeth striking bricks on the way out to squatters. He hit my car flat out, ditch banks, trees etc etc and shook his head and run off but that first plough at 6yr old finished him off. It seems to have been night after night of lamping weather since he died too to rub salt in my wounds.