squab 2,875 Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 is this something that was ever done,old days maybe,a dog trained to catch and kill first rabbit only to drop it then run onto another? dont expect it to do this in large numbers not talking about a dog running itself to a stop although dont think many situations would arise where this could be done continualy or you would ever want to. thing is i got plenty spots where i just push through a hedge to drop onto a couple of bunnies feeding out here and there,by the time she lifted one and retrieved it thats it for that spot and we move on,be handy to catch,kill,drop it and move onto another at times. iv had multiple rabbits off one slip after each one has been retrieved but thats not quite what im getting at. handy to achieve this or not worth the bother for the odd extra bunny in the bag,your thoughts cheers Quote Link to post
Sirius 1,391 Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Not something I would encourage. Catch/miss and straight back every time. My idea of a good lamp dog is a soft mouthed one, so all that happens is they drop the live one and it heads for home while they head after number two. The fact Is you will always get rabbits sitting together and some you can run, it's the way it is. Just once it's caught get the lamp off wait for the dog to bring in rabbit and hope the others still squat down. 3 Quote Link to post
squab 2,875 Posted January 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 (edited) Not something I would encourage. Catch/miss and straight back every time. My idea of a good lamp dog is a soft mouthed one, so all that happens is they drop the live one and it heads for home while they head after number two. The fact Is you will always get rabbits sitting together and some you can run, it's the way it is. Just once it's caught get the lamp off wait for the dog to bring in rabbit and hope the others still squat down. im with you all the way,its something i wasnt sure id heard of and so was showing circumstance when this may be effective just to add as you say,which i hadnt thought about, this would require dog to be hard mouthed,if this was done regularly in the old days then saleable game would be limited im guessing, cheers Edited January 1, 2014 by hunter1372 Quote Link to post
pip1968 2,490 Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 iv seen my dog do this on 2 different occasions but only when iv run a pup with him as he dont usually kill the rabbit the pup always takes it of him fully alive and then hes off after the other and caught that Quote Link to post
tote 856 Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Not something I would encourage. Catch/miss and straight back every time. My idea of a good lamp dog is a soft mouthed one, so all that happens is they drop the live one and it heads for home while they head after number two. The fact Is you will always get rabbits sitting together and some you can run, it's the way it is. Just once it's caught get the lamp off wait for the dog to bring in rabbit and hope the others still squat down. Agree with this, in the past I've had dogs on their way back to me with a rabbit when another rabbit gets up infront of them, they run a bit with the first rabbit in their mouths before dropping it and taking off after the runner. They might or might not catch it but the original rabbit being alive has hit the ground running and is gone. That said a mate had a dog that done it when ferreting if two rabbits bolted together, he'd kill the first then was straight onto the second, that said he never retrieved any of his rabbits. Quote Link to post
squab 2,875 Posted January 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 just put them on slip and let them carry it until another is spotted then it would drop the rabbit and run oniv seen my dog do this on 2 different occasions but only when iv run a pup with him as he dont usually kill the rabbit the pup always takes it of him fully alive and then hes off after the other and caught that iv had young dog in the past that didnt like to give up her catch,had a bite like a croc and as im not into pinching id let her carry it until another was spotted and shed drop it,although many a time she would forget to drop and run the other one with her mouth full Quote Link to post
pip1968 2,490 Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 just put them on slip and let them carry it until another is spotted then it would drop the rabbit and run oniv seen my dog do this on 2 different occasions but only when iv run a pup with him as he dont usually kill the rabbit the pup always takes it of him fully alive and then hes off after the other and caught that iv had young dog in the past that didnt like to give up her catch,had a bite like a croc and as im not into pinching id let her carry it until another was spotted and shed drop it,although many a time she would forget to drop and run the other one with her mouth full seen dogs run another rabbit with the one in its mouth plenty of times 1 Quote Link to post
Sirius 1,391 Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 (edited) Also I personally don't lamp another rabbit until the dog back at my side ready to be told to go again or be slipped. Otherwise it tends to encourage hunting up. Seen dogs kill 2's of one slip, and dogs running around with a rabbit in there mouths trying to catch another lol Good hunting Sirius Edited January 1, 2014 by Sirius 2 Quote Link to post
squab 2,875 Posted January 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Also I personally don't lamp another rabbit until the dog back at my side ready to be told to go again or be slipped. Otherwise it tends to encourage hunting up. Seen dogs kill 2's of one slip, and dogs running around with a rabbit in there mouths trying to catch another. i dont either mate sure as many others but this question is more of a was it ever known to be done rather than a lesson in lamping,and i dont mean that to be snotty as it sounds 1 Quote Link to post
Bosun11 537 Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Does only having a dog tethered till it gets to your speck, then working off slip all night count? Seen a few more than two caught like that over the years! Quote Link to post
squab 2,875 Posted January 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 (edited) Does only having a dog tethered till it gets to your speck, then working off slip all night count? Seen a few more than two caught like that over the years! although id like to have the capability to train a dog to work off slip for me its never going to happen so have to applaud those that mange to do so ,thinking more really about the older days,slip through a hedge put two or three in the bag and away type of thing Edited January 1, 2014 by hunter1372 Quote Link to post
Bosun11 537 Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Does only having a dog tethered till it gets to your speck, then working off slip all night count? Seen a few more than two caught like that over the years! no it doent count,although id like to have the capability to train a dog to work off slip for me its never going to happen so have to applaud those that mange to do so ,thinking more really about the older days,slip through a hedge put two or three in the bag and away type of thing If you have basic control of your dog when excising off a lead, then working off slip ain't hard to get right. Once you've got it sorted you'll never want to work a dog on a slip again. Once recall is mastered, the hardest part is making sure your speck, conditions and numbers are there to train your dog. If you (or anyone else) thinks its a task for some sort of 'super trainer' think again, with some dogs its almost natural. Quote Link to post
squab 2,875 Posted January 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Does only having a dog tethered till it gets to your speck, then working off slip all night count? Seen a few more than two caught like that over the years! no it doent count,although id like to have the capability to train a dog to work off slip for me its never going to happen so have to applaud those that mange to do so ,thinking more really about the older days,slip through a hedge put two or three in the bag and away type of thing If you have basic control of your dog when excising off a lead, then working off slip ain't hard to get right. Once you've got it sorted you'll never want to work a dog on a slip again. Once recall is mastered, the hardest part is making sure your speck, conditions and numbers are there to train your dog. If you (or anyone else) thinks its a task for some sort of 'super trainer' think again, with some dogs its almost natural. not sure i quite think its a task for a super trainer but its stopping the dog from running if i happen to pick something up in the lamp that i dont want it to,ok as you said if you got the rabbit numbers infront of you prob lot easier but few and far between round here,never had a dog i could shout off anything if the situation should arise,safe bet for me slip when im ready not when the dog wants 1 Quote Link to post
Guest vin Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Most dogs I go Lamping with are worked without a slip...and like said once mastered its a lot easier than fumbling about with a slip lead in the dark after every run. I've seen my dog catch 3 in a row ferreting..But i only got 1 bunny out of the 3 that bolted,the other 2 had a lucky day and ran off when they realized they were free from the dog..lol. In the 1980's my mate had a Tommy Mcfee bred dog that would do what your talking about..It would catch the rabbit and crunch it,drop it and move onto next rabbit until there was no more to lamp etc etc..but then he would have to go into the field and pick up all the bunnys he had killed..All well and good when your on permission etc etc,but a bit tricky when your walking about a field trying to find dead bunnys with a lamp.. He got bored picking them up himself in the end and would end up leaving bunnies on the field rather than go pick them up. . . thats Just all wrong in my book..lol. Quote Link to post
TOMO 26,503 Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 What bosun said,, Not quite what the op asked,,, but last season I watched Venus catch a rabbit,, then catch another rabbit with the first one still in her mouth,, something I have not seen befor,, or since,,, just one of those lucky things you sometimes get in hunting,, like getting two rabbits in one pur sent whilst ferreting,, Quote Link to post
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