Pre Locator Days

[jigsaw 11,863]

do I take it the hose was inserted into the bar hole to hear the dog?????or am i way off the mark?never seen or heard of a hose being carried out the country.its never too late to learn new stuff.Its right about being off the mark a bit on a dig,when you'd break in and realise the dog is that bit further on up the line.Diging and cutting to get to the back end of the dog and then if you had one a heavy dog to get a hold and pull the game and finalise the dig.In other cases then we used the tongs,anyone remember those babies??they were a god send back then too.It was nothing to do with being afraid of handling the game but more to do with reaching into the dark and extracting the lodger within.they were like a show piece to some lads,and those with the stainless steel ones were just down right posh .......im only taking the piss there,lol

[Blaise 2,322]

Some usual tools to hunt badger : lamp, tong for leg, little rods, hose...

 

 

 

[Cleanspade 3,322]

the hose is new to me. as its so long i take it you pushed it up the tubes to listen further down.... ?

[liamdelaney 2,586]

Myself and my digging partner learned from going out with the old timers when we were kids.When we became young teenagers we knew it all and branched out on our own.We dug the hardest and most difficult places we could find just to boast to the old lads that we dug them.If they told us places were to dangerous thats where we dug(what would they know).We had good success until one sunday morning we let a good dog into a fairy fort in Kilcarey Nenagh(we were told not to go near it)we never heard one sound from that dog again.Two stupid kids who thought they knew it all learned the hard way,and a good dog lost his life.A hard lesson learned.

[Blaise 2,322]

the hose is new to me. as its so long i take it you pushed it up the tubes to listen further down.... ?

 

At the beginning, I thought hose was a stupid and needless gadget.

We begun to use hose in order to listen to the dog. You can't locate but listen what happens.

Further, we spoke to the dog through the hose to encourage him. Go on !

You can use the hose in the sand to keep some air for the dog in case of collapse, very efficient. If you have to dig the tunnel quickly, put the hose in the tunnel, it keeps some air for the dog if he's stuck in the hole.

Later, one of our common use : at the end of the hunt you can tickle the badger with the hose, the badger will come out of the hole. And you could take it without any fight.

In fact, hose is still a gadget... a good and brave working dog, that's the real matter.

[Waz 4,252]

Some usual tools to hunt badger : lamp, tong for leg, little rods, hose...

 

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Il est ou le barre a mine?

[redcharge 378]

The only downsides to the locator are that it means that your terrier is now to ground while wearing a collar and folk are too quick to locate their terrier and start digging.

It's terrier in, terrier located, jackets off and clay starts flying. The terrier moves and then lads start muttering "wanker".

Both terrier and quarry always need to be allowed settle in a place where the terrier will hold it's quarry and the quarry will be in a place it feels safe.

Years ago while lads were crawling around on all fours this is what was happening and by the time they started to dig both terrier and quarry are in a place your going to get them.

Nowadays, IMO, in a big place an hour is often the time it takes to start digging.

JMHO.

Best thing I've read on here in a while......

[neil cooney 10,416]

I see "tongs" mentioned. Other than one or two lads who I thought might actually be capable of wearing one I only ever seen them used a few times.

And thank goodness for that, they made a coward feel brave and could be used in a very cruel manner. BUT, I must admit some of them were of a very clever design and the last pair I seen were for lifting the fox by the scruff and in no way could they be used cruelly. Also, I always thought those nooses on the end of a bar used by dog wardens and RSPCA cowboys were just as cruel.

The hose pipe is a new one on me. You'll always learn at this game but I'd imagine if you pushed a hose far enough up a tube you'd eventually block it with soil.

As for listening to hear what a terrier is doing ?

If a terrier is in the one spot for a long time, whether it's baying, holding, stuck, digging or dead it's a terriermans duty to dig to that terrier one way or the other. I never got to big into this thing of having to know exactly what my terrier's doing before I'll start. Have faith in your terrier and if he's in the one spot after a while you should dig to him to either help him or lift him with his game, hopefully.

As for shouting at a terrier to encourage it ?

Totally unnecessary in my opinion.

He should be having fun anyway and need no encouragement. An over excited terrier when sent on will often take more punishment than necessary.

There's another thread here about calling your terrier out.

Anyone ever see an owner with his head stuck down a hole shout at his terrier "here here" only for the terrier to actually get stuck in more ?

I have. The terrier thinks your coming and gets stuck in.

No, IMO the reason a terrier flies to ground and does the business is because he's bred for it and loves it.

As for all the kit some lads carry ?

Why are terriermen always trying to re-invent the wheel with new gadgets (that weigh a ton).

One of the best men (a Yorkshire man ) I ever seen work terriers would go with a couple of terriers on a chain in one hand. In his other hand he'd have a shovel and a mattock. On his back he'd have a bag with a torch, his finder, fox nets and a bottle of water for washing his dogs eyes.

The same man would take on a 10 footer on his own, I kid you not, and be successful too. I seen him handle quarry with one hand with a terrier tucked under his other arm.

A lot of lads should concentrate more on becoming good terriermen than trying to have a tool or a breed or a theory, LOL that no-one else has.

[jigsaw 11,863]

so your drawn to men in tongs neil...........hmmm .bars are a great tool neil,end of.........IMO,lol....and tongs have their uses at times,just cause you have one doesnt mean you cant handle quarry.thats a FACT,not an opinion.the rest im in agreement with ye,nothing is set in stone,folk have their own little quirks,their own fondnesses............like men in tongs lol.

[neil cooney 10,416]

I agree Jigsaw, bars and tongs (especially in leopard skin, LOL) are useful but in the wrong hands both are dangerous. I've said it before and I'll say it again about bars. They are the most over used piece of kit.

IMO it's no coincidence that the best men I've ever seen to work terriers didn't carry bars.

[gonetoearth 5,144]

I see "tongs" mentioned. Other than one or two lads who I thought might actually be capable of wearing one I only ever seen them used a few times.

And thank goodness for that, they made a coward feel brave and could be used in a very cruel manner. BUT, I must admit some of them were of a very clever design and the last pair I seen were for lifting the fox by the scruff and in no way could they be used cruelly. Also, I always thought those nooses on the end of a bar used by dog wardens and RSPCA cowboys were just as cruel.

The hose pipe is a new one on me. You'll always learn at this game but I'd imagine if you pushed a hose far enough up a tube you'd eventually block it with soil.

As for listening to hear what a terrier is doing ?

If a terrier is in the one spot for a long time, whether it's baying, holding, stuck, digging or dead it's a terriermans duty to dig to that terrier one way or the other. I never got to big into this thing of having to know exactly what my terrier's doing before I'll start. Have faith in your terrier and if he's in the one spot after a while you should dig to him to either help him or lift him with his game, hopefully.

As for shouting at a terrier to encourage it ?

Totally unnecessary in my opinion.

He should be having fun anyway and need no encouragement. An over excited terrier when sent on will often take more punishment than necessary.

There's another thread here about calling your terrier out.

Anyone ever see an owner with his head stuck down a hole shout at his terrier "here here" only for the terrier to actually get stuck in more ?

I have. The terrier thinks your coming and gets stuck in.

No, IMO the reason a terrier flies to ground and does the business is because he's bred for it and loves it.

As for all the kit some lads carry ?

Why are terriermen always trying to re-invent the wheel with new gadgets (that weigh a ton).

One of the best men (a Yorkshire man ) I ever seen work terriers would go with a couple of terriers on a chain in one hand. In his other hand he'd have a shovel and a mattock. On his back he'd have a bag with a torch, his finder, fox nets and a bottle of water for washing his dogs eyes.

The same man would take on a 10 footer on his own, I kid you not, and be successful too. I seen him handle quarry with one hand with a terrier tucked under his other arm.

A lot of lads should concentrate more on becoming good terriermen than trying to have a tool or a breed or a theory, LOL that no-one else has.

. I'll have to get a bigger box of cigars another one well deserved.

[fat man 4,741]

Valuable piece of kit pre-locater was the t-bar,as for the tongs,every man to his own,lol.

[gonetoearth 5,144]

Not having a choice made us good at finding are terriers. Some people were better than others. Simple as that.

[fat man 4,741]

Not having a choice made us good at finding are terriers. Some people were better than others. Simple as that.

I agree but the t-bar aided us a lot.

[gonetoearth 5,144]

 

Not having a choice made us good at finding are terriers. Some people were better than others. Simple as that.

 

I agree but the t-bar aided us a lot.

in the right hands