Pre Locator Days

[jigsaw 11,863]

after seeing a topic on ferreting collar less,how many can honestly remember working the terriers without a locator?I know we did for roughly 2 seasons and then thank christ them grey boxes from deben appeared.I can recall putting a bitch belonging to a man in an earth and a while later it poured and the wind picked up and we had no other way but to crawl about in the mud trying to hear some sound,it took 40 minutes to locate and we got lucky,and we were miserable as hell during and after it.it was part of the course for a very short time.the dogs had better voice back then and since,the only time we experienced anything like it was when the collars packed up on the rare occasion,we reverted to the old days and got through it with a lot of worry on the way.How many can recall working the dogs with a shovel,a bar and a good set of ears and wet soggy knees.I cant say I did much of it thankfully but I bet theres a few of the more ''MATURE'' gents on here that have,no ego mastrabating now,just good honest recollections and any anecdotes of the times would be good to hear.NO BLOODY ARGUING NOW PLEASE.

[nans pat 2,575]

done it for yrs 20 plus lol.1 time we took the back seat and spare tyre out of the morris minor w had and burnt them to keep warm the wee terrier was a proper 1 .bought a seat and tyre on the way home lol but we got the terrier and the victim.

[jack68 628]

T bars....atb

[jigsaw 11,863]

just t barsjack? I hope you had a shovel too

[Rat face 1,655]

i have done it a few times in rock spots,you always end up doing twice as much work

[jimmys shop 182]

Jig we had to do it on a lot of numerous occasions ,nobody had a box or due to the old Deben boxes packing in ,

,or the old collar not working ,and honestly I know you.ve started a good thread ,but I believe it was an education

having to locate your dog in the ground with the howling wind and rain blowing and with your ear to the ground and

a Tbar was your best friend in this situation to help you out .

[gonetoearth 5,144]

Been done look backon terrier section

[jigsaw 11,863]

why look back gte.always look forward..oh well i tried

[gonetoearth 5,144]

why look back gte.always look forward..oh well i tried

great topic loads of post on it just pointing you in the right direction

[foxhound45 167]

If your depth was say twice the length of your spit, how did you use it to gauge the depth?

 

I have always wanted to know how to locate terriers without a box, I do it at the moment with an ear on the ground before sticking on the box but it is something I would like to get good at just incase electronics fail in the field and I can't leave the hole.

 

Can anyone describe the whole process from terrier entered to breaking through.........say if the hole was 7feet deep.........deeper than the spit. Did it happen regularly that you would have broken through off target, greater than 4 feet and had to re-dig?

 

I would say speed is the issue, I could just imagine a terrier getting a world of hurt and not being able to get there fast enough.

 

Do you think that did the Patterdale become more popular with the birth of the deben collar since many are non-Sounding dogs?

[perthshire keeper 1,239]

ive done a bit of digging with no collars, mostly in forestry or peaty ground that in my opinion the sound travels better thru, i would hate to have to find a dog in say heavy clay.

ive had to find a dog in rocks with no collar on and that was some mission! that feck it was only about 4 ft deep and throwable sized cobles but we had to trench most the earth.

but it makes you think about the old boys who maybe in the hunt who would have a dog in for a day or two at a time trying to find and dig.. theirs a lot of good stories about digs in big rock borrans in the fells lasting days and the dog was round not trapped as one would exspect but found baying and working they game

[bullx100% 681]

In them days I think mainly bayers were kept as a dog what didn't give tongue would end up in sick bay more than out in the field...and as for the spit/bar I read that the bar was pushed in to the ground and you ear was pressed against it to hear the bay and the vibration the stronger the sound n vibration the closer you were directly over it then dig down.......that is what I have read but not 100% I'm sure if that's tong someone will shoot me down lol

[bullx100% 681]

In France it's ilegal to use locator while digging Blaise of here diggs in the old traditional way

[perthshire keeper 1,239]

ive used bars sunk in the a ear on it to try and pick up the dog but i think a better way is by barring like a post hole as deep as possible and listening down that it acts like the glass up against the wall trick and the sond echos up the hole

[Davro 108]

never seen anybody putting ear on the bar