Protein In Dry Food

[sandymere 8,263]

Dogs, like ourselves, use mainly fat and carbohydrate derivatives for energy with a relatively small amount of protein, the protein is more about repair, maintenance and re growth of tissues.

Exercise can be loosely divided into three categories based on intenseity/VO2 max. High intensity exercise is greater than 75% max and uses anaerobic fuel sources, primarily phosphocreatine, muscle glycogen and carbohydrates. Moderate intensity exercise occurs between 30-50% VO2 max and is primarily aerobic in nature, including the aerobic metabolism of both carbohydrates and free fatty acids, and small amounts of protein. Finally, low intensity exercise is exercise up to 30% VO2 max and is completely aerobic in nature, utilizing primarily free fatty acids for fuel.

[FUJI 17,288]

Thanks for confusing me even more Sandymere haha..in layman's terms in your opinion what would be a good diet for a dog in hard work..meaning 3/4/5 times per week? Ie: protein content of biscuit, which meat? plus anything else? Thanks Andy

[Country Joe 1,411]

^{Look forward Sandy for your answer to the above post, may I add for all that feed say raw Beef, which is I think 20% protein, and you use a 28% dry, then that means your pumping 48% protein into your dog on one feed? a good thing or not, or am I right in cutting back using a 20% protein complete feed as a mixer?}

[Giro 2,648]

What about that Redmills Big bread.. ( as a extra,not stand alone fed or mixer)

 

Any good ??

 

KC - how much for that do you feed ??

[sandymere 8,263]

If feeding meat use a lower protein complete, I use around 20 to 24%

Thanks for confusing me even more Sandymere haha..in layman's terms in your opinion what would be a good diet for a dog in hard work..meaning 3/4/5 times per week? Ie: protein content of biscuit, which meat? plus anything else? Thanks Andy

A lot depends on what the dog is doing, ie a few long runs or multiple sprints over a night etc and it is something that would take a few hours to answer properly lol so in short...

 

In general I go for a scoop of complete of around 20 to 24% protein along with meat and veg/table scraps. Meat would be say, half a rabbit.

As I feed a lot of low fat game I tend to give extra fat and look to give some higher fat butchers waste, lamb, pork, beef etc a couple of times a week. In the summer I use more of the latter I don't give extra fat other than the odd table spoon of cod-liver oil now and then.

 

Look for a complete with some fat in it, no less than 9%.

 

As game is low fat it contains higher proportion of protein than say beef so it tops up the percentages nicely in the winter when they need to repair the effects of working. In theory sprinters need 25% calories from protein, 30% calories from fat, and 45% calories from carb but that based on greyhounds and lurchers doing multiple runs may well need a little extra protein and fat. Well trained dogs also are better at burning fat so can spare their carbs a little giving a little leeway.

 

At the end of the day if the dog is working well then that’s the answer, they have evolved to be able to utilize a very catholic diet and do well. It can be simple or complex, cheap or expensive just as long as the dog does well on it. Most of the modern thoughts and fashions about feeding are more to do with answering our own worries rather than our dogs nutritional need, when we feed a diet we’re happy with we see our dogs do well, there’s much in the eye of the beholder.

[sandymere 8,263]

 

^{Look forward Sandy for your answer to the above post, may I add for all that feed say raw Beef, which is I think 20% protein, and you use a 28% dry, then that means your pumping 48% protein into your dog on one feed? a good thing or not, or am I right in cutting back using a 20% protein complete feed as a mixer?}

50% beef at 20% mixed with 50% dry at 28%, gives an average of 24%

[Country Joe 1,411]

 

^{Look forward Sandy for your answer to the above post, may I add for all that feed say raw Beef, which is I think 20% protein, and you use a 28% dry, then that means your pumping 48% protein into your dog on one feed? a good thing or not, or am I right in cutting back using a 20% protein complete feed as a mixer?}

50% beef at 20% mixed with 50% dry at 28%, gives an average of 24%

 

Sandy, sorry for being a bit thick, but i don't understand if you fill his bowl with half raw Beef at 20% and half complete 28% would that not give you 48%

Maybe yourself and Skycat could come up with the answer if feeding raw Beef, chicken lamb or rabbit and using a dry complete as a mixer, how much percentage of protein would you prefer the mixer to be, 20% or 28%?

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

 

 

^{Look forward Sandy for your answer to the above post, may I add for all that feed say raw Beef, which is I think 20% protein, and you use a 28% dry, then that means your pumping 48% protein into your dog on one feed? a good thing or not, or am I right in cutting back using a 20% protein complete feed as a mixer?}

50% beef at 20% mixed with 50% dry at 28%, gives an average of 24%

 

Sandy, sorry for being a bit thick, but i don't understand if you fill his bowl with half raw Beef at 20% and half complete 28% would that not give you 48%

Maybe yourself and Skycat could come up with the answer if feeding raw Beef, chicken lamb or rabbit and using a dry complete as a mixer, how much percentage of protein would you prefer the mixer to be, 20% or 28%?

 

 

If the bowl has got 1lb of beef in it at 20% protein and then you add 1lb of biscuits at 28% protein then the beef is now only 50% of the total meal, so this contributes 10% protein. The biscuts are also 50% of the total meal so contribute 14% protein. Total protein for the meal 24%.

[trenchfoot 4,243]

 

 

^{Look forward Sandy for your answer to the above post, may I add for all that feed say raw Beef, which is I think 20% protein, and you use a 28% dry, then that means your pumping 48% protein into your dog on one feed? a good thing or not, or am I right in cutting back using a 20% protein complete feed as a mixer?}

50% beef at 20% mixed with 50% dry at 28%, gives an average of 24%

 

Sandy, sorry for being a bit thick, but i don't understand if you fill his bowl with half raw Beef at 20% and half complete 28% would that not give you 48%

Maybe yourself and Skycat could come up with the answer if feeding raw Beef, chicken lamb or rabbit and using a dry complete as a mixer, how much percentage of protein would you prefer the mixer to be, 20% or 28%?

 

think about what content is not protein. % and 72%. if you add those together you get 152% ! you need to take the average of the two amounts

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

I feed approximately 75% Meat, Fat and Bone averaging about 12% protein, 15% Carbs (Brown Bread or Brown Pasta) which averages about 10% Protein and then 10% fruit and veg which for arguments sake we will say is zero protein.

 

So the 75% meat at 12% Protein contributes 9% protein to total meal and the 15% carbs at 10% protein contributes 1.5% protein so total protein for the meal is 10.5% protein.

 

How can it be that dogs fed a raw diet totalling 10% protein can still perform, recover and look as well if not better than dogs on a 28% protein complete?

[Country Joe 1,411]

_{Okay will keep it really simple, if using a complete dry feed as a mixer with raw Beef what would be the best 28% or 20%?}

[iworkwhippets 12,542]

completes are all cack, get some brown bread in thi frying pan, crumble it up, mix it we a good meat, all this mither over feeding dogs, get on we it,

[Giro 2,648]

I personally Joe, I am using the 28..

 

I will drop to the 20 in the summer and fed slightly less overall quantity..

 

Don't know if I am right or wrong..

 

I have tried allsorts and still willing to try anything new or different if it helps the dogs..

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

completes are all cack, get some brown bread in thi frying pan, crumble it up, mix it we a good meat, all this mither over feeding dogs, get on we it,

Why you cooking the brown bread?

[nothernlite 18,080]

To make it crunchy me thinks