Shooting Dogs..legal Or What.

[nans pat 2,575]

I think we've gone a little off track Chalky. . . . this thread wasn't about stock worriers . . . . growing up in Wales. . . you will know how much of a no no that is.

 

This thread was talking about farmers who shoot dogs for just being on their land. . . . . no stock involved.

[morton 5,368]

 

If you run a mutt in the vicinity of stock,especially without the landowners permission,then have the gonads to accept the consequence of your actions.A dog does not need to be a stock chaser to cause damage,stock panicking,especially at night,will often injure themselves in flight.Farmers are sick to the back teeth of irresponsible lurcher owners and the destruction they cause.A dog may start its pursuit well away from stock,that same pursuit can soon lead to the mutt entering fields containing stock.The amount of time we hear the old chestnut,my dogs stock trained,when the opposite is the reality.If a farmer was to shoot a dog when there is no livestock about,he,d be in the crapper and deserve to answer for his actions,if livestock is about he,s within his rights,deservedly so.I would,nt enter land without permission unless i was prepared to face the consequences,any mutt chasing stock wants a bullet,any farmer shooting a mutt without just cause deserves what may come his way,rarely does a farmer not have just cause.

again theres no livestock.the lands rented to shooters its not the farmer hes doting .what ime saying by putting this sign up in legal terms hes showing INTENT .

 

I haunt a lot of arable land with no stock in the vicinity,ive known long gallops that soon took the pursuer into contact with them,be prepared for anything when a dogs in pursuit,or keep it on a leash.

[Ideation 8,216]

Well . . . I meant you and Morton. . . . so it's YOU (plural) have gone off track, rather than we. . . .

 

I just think that if folk don't realise that dogs that are not stock broke are a bad idea. . . . . then you're not going to educate them!

 

However, there seems to be a growing idea that a dog can be shot for 'trespassing'. . . . which just ain't the case.

 

And when it happens. . . .

 

Morton - as interesting as your last reply was. . . and I agree. I don't think that was the issue. We've had it before, having a mooch on common hill land, and had an angry man with a shotgun pointing it at us and threatening to shoot the dogs for simply. . . . being lurchers. . . . . on a hill side that he paid money to graze, along with others. . . . . . at the time, the dogs were to heal, and one on a lead (pup). . . and it was just a walk. If he'd pulled the trigger, my companion probably would have used the other barrel on him.

[morton 5,368]

Well . . . I meant you and Morton. . . . so it's YOU (plural) have gone off track, rather than we. . . .

 

I just think that if folk don't realise that dogs that are not stock broke are a bad idea. . . . . then you're not going to educate them!

 

However, there seems to be a growing idea that a dog can be shot for 'trespassing'. . . . which just ain't the case.

 

And when it happens. . . .

 

Morton - as interesting as your last reply was. . . and I agree. I don't think that was the issue. We've had it before, having a mooch on common hill land, and had an angry man with a shotgun pointing it at us and threatening to shoot the dogs for simply. . . . being lurchers. . . . . on a hill side that he paid money to graze, along with others. . . . . . at the time, the dogs were to heal, and one on a lead (pup). . . and it was just a walk. If he'd pulled the trigger, my companion probably would have used the other barrel on him.

If the lads snooping about with a runner and he slips it where there are no livestock,im assuming some of us may know that the dog,in this densely populated land of ours,may soon encounter them over the horizon,ignorance is little defence in law and never aids a bullet dodging jukel.If your companion does not have the presence of mind to control his actions then methinks he may not be the best suited to be carrying a lethal firearm about.Many of us that venture forth to try and feed the starving bairns,how splendidly noble,have at times encountered an irate,irrational and violent landowner,many of them have the irresponsible lurcher owners amidst us as reason for their behaviour,many don,t need any reason for their miserable outlook on life.How we deal with the situation is the reflection of who and what we are,politeness and courtesy sometimes works,rolling around a muddy field trading blows and insults is not unknown,if the former does,nt work the latter is a poorer yet sometimes necessary option.I take no notice of silly signs adorning gates,hedges and walls,thus is my lot.they mean feck all and have little to no legal enforcement,any landowner or their agent that shoots the mutt without fair and proper reason deserves a severe slap,would i damage property,kill livestock or even shoot them?,as yet no.

[shaaark 10,915]

 

Was out snooping about with the dogs the day.A wee road beside a fishery signs on a load of gates no hunting police notified ect,,then 1 big red sign.any dog seen on these lands will be Shot no exceptions.anybody know if this is legal.no livestock about .would it effect the land owners FAC for putting it there.

did it say survivors will be shot again underneath

 

Lol, don't know how legal it is or isn't, but there's more than a couple of, let's say 'lagally couldn't give a f**k' farmers round our way!!

[Ideation 8,216]

I think you've missed my point (again). . . my companion was not carrying a fire arm. . . and we weren't slipping dogs on anything.

 

And I didn't start this thread

 

I agree mate, most of the animosity I have encountered from farmers etc . . . has been due to other lads acting like dick heads. On the upside, I've picked up numerous bits of land to run, because some other dickheads have tried poaching it, not caught much, but made a mess. . . and so the farmer wants the game gone, or the land walked at night by someone he knows. So it works both ways. And my dogs are stock broken and known (and left alone) by anyone who owns a farm within running distance from my house, so it's only away days when it becomes and issue. . . .

[nans pat 2,575]

if you put a sign on your front gate on a council estate any body enters will be shot. the dmsu be round.[you could always collect you giro at the post office i had a sign on the side gate beware of dog.plod called and said if anybody gets bit by that dog your getting done by putting the sign up you know its dangerous.

[unlacedgecko 1,466]

if you put a sign on your front gate on a council estate any body enters will be shot. the dmsu be round.[you could always collect you giro at the post office i had a sign on the side gate beware of dog.plod called and said if anybody gets bit by that dog your getting done by putting the sign up you know its dangerous.

 

For your dog, just put a sign up saying 'Warning, dogs running free'.

[unlacedgecko 1,466]

Coming from a rural background,.(my own Father being a Shepherd),..and often hunting amidst fields choc-full of livestock,..I was brought up with the premise that,.if your jukel killed or badly damaged a ewe,...you were obligated to cull him yourself..and,.then,..having done so,...the incident is forgotten,.....life moves on....

 

You're not wrong Phil. I'd cull any dog, runner or terrier or gundog, which suddenly decided he wasn't going to be stock broken anymore. Anyone with any respect for his mutts, his name and the sport would do the same.

[unlacedgecko 1,466]

I'm not a computer hardman . . . . or any kind of hard man. . . . in fact I'm pretty pacifistic.

 

However, I happen to live in a part of the world where there are a lot of head bangers with lurchers who run them wherever the f**k they like (rightly or wrongly) . . . .

 

. . . now I'm fairly sure that if someone shot a dog for anything other than worrying stock, round these parts, said head bangers. . . . would take great delight in killing all of their live stock, burning any thing burnable and probably battering f**k out of them for good measure. . . . .

 

I'm not saying it's right or wrong. . . .or that I'd do it. . . but that's what its like.

 

There are plenty of farmers, gamekeepers and landowners across the country with a similar outlook.

[johnny 2 367]

here we go all the hard guy keyboard wizards have just woken up

Nearly as bad as the desperado pup sellers