Sluki Question...why?

[Saluki246 1,053]

sheep dog!!!

 

 

photo Kurdish iran

 

[Dan McDonough 560]

Casso, I understand that really well. I see that to one degree or another in all the dogs I train. You paint a good picture of how it works with the saluki.

 

If I find the dogs I have now are lacking in toughness or wind, I think I'll do just fine with the saluki cross.

[Dan McDonough 560]

Thanks for all of the comments!

[nomoon 542]

They are not dumb at all, but if you look at their history and background, they've never evolved to work with humans and obey orders in the way a Collie does, for example. I always liken them more to a cat than a dog, and you need to get a really good bond with them if you are to succeed in working with them. They are some of the finest hunters, and their prey sense is superb. They are also as tough as they come, physically, and can often run on ground that would smash another type of dog to pieces.

 

I've had Saluki lurchers be very good ferreting and lamping dogs, as well as the more usual hare coursing. Many also take fox well too, but it all depends on the line and the individual's temperament. I guess a lot depends on your own temperament and experience, and whether you can learn to work with a dog that is more independent.

spot on,an independent dog and an independent man,cant be beaten,time patience and learning to read your dogs the secret,atb mc

[Saluki246 1,053]

They are not dumb at all, but if you look at their history and background, they've never evolved to work with humans and obey orders in the way a Collie does, for example. I always liken them more to a cat than a dog, and you need to get a really good bond with them if you are to succeed in working with them. They are some of the finest hunters, and their prey sense is superb. They are also as tough as they come, physically, and can often run on ground that would smash another type of dog to pieces.

 

I've had Saluki lurchers be very good ferreting and lamping dogs, as well as the more usual hare coursing. Many also take fox well too, but it all depends on the line and the individual's temperament. I guess a lot depends on your own temperament and experience, and whether you can learn to work with a dog that is more independent.

 

 

The saluki are a primitive breed of dog which on the whole means they become social thru the hunt,

Not thru fussing petting or thru learning commands or given treats

 

The main problem today is the rush to training and teach manners to a pup straight out of the crib, as if the pup will become anti social if we don't put it in its place because what it does is brings us into conflict with an animal in the saluki with no genetic software to respond until a group hunting bond is formed

 

A saluki makes itself social thru hunting with its owner not before, lads try hammering in training and the dog will just tune them out

 

Every dogs intelligence lies in its ability to second guess the elements in its environment which lead it to the hunt in whatever form that takes , with the collie it's the handler and the flock, with the saluki it's the hare and if you can let the relationship grow, the handler

It's the hunt which makes the bond with the saluki lads just need to manage the dog to keep it social

 

These 2 posts i think sums them up..

[desertbred 5,490]

You want it summed up in one sentence. "A saluki works for itself, it tolerates humans on the end of the slip but it needs to learn nothing from us"

[Saluki246 1,053]

You want it summed up in one sentence. "A saluki works for itself, it tolerates humans on the end of the slip but it needs to learn nothing from us"

 

The way they run, hunt, move around, their agility is unreal, only a wild dog would be the same, they are feral, its the way they are, i like them a lot.

Edited December 20, 2013 by Saluki246

[bird 10,004]

The recall issue is one I see raised regular when it comes to saluki threads, in three years of running in the saluki cup and club days ive yet too see a dog fail to return too its owner or slipper on field and thatsbtruth, fair does all the owners are partial to these types and work hard with em, plenty different lines in club as well dont get me wrong most of us had recall problems in luppy days and whilst they mature, but all breeds suffer that, and most of js aint the worlds best trainers either,

 

sometkmes people shout em back and dog dont come so dog is thick ignorant etc, well maybe his thousands of years of instinct are still scanning for the target, they see and smell what we cannot, so is dog really to blame, you took um out to hunt and then moan when he does it, always dogs fault, step back and learn from him then yiu learn to respect he better hunter than you, then you respect him and he respectbyou, both happy that way,

 

using collie over em should addvsomething to the mix, mbut brain already there for hunting, last thing can a dog be considered intelligent ifbit comes running back to someone who gunna flog it out of sheer frustration , too me that plain stupidity, nsaluki turn on tail and gone lol, if push come to shove human need dog more than dog need human, saluki spentthousands of years providing food in most hostile places on planet 121 with man, no wonder he expects to be treated well lol

 

 

fair point, but 1 thing i think most on here would agree is all dogs will have to at some point be reprimanded in its training. I did it once with Bryn when he was 13 months old, seen sheep every day since he was a 8 week old.One day when he was 13 month old, was walking past flock of sheep, no prob . when a rabbit got up he chased it , round a edge one feckin sheep came running out past me with bloody behind it. He didnt touch it just ran by it, it stopped at the bottom of the edge, and he just stood there by it.Ok he didnt touch it, but i knew he was going to have a reminder right there+then.Iput his lead on liffted the twat right of the floor, he did sing a bit .But the lesson went in and he never done it again in and never looks at sheep in 6 years, ive even ferrted with him with sheep all round never looks he spot on Buck my pup great with them lamped many time by sheep no prob he 16 month old but you neverk now till these things happen. what i getting at , is i would do that to any young dog if it had done what Bryn done, but what you read on about saluki xs is if you upset them you fecked they wont do nout for you, well in that situation if i had one there going to be up set then.

[desertbred 5,490]

one size does not fit all in dogs which ever dog people want first learn about rthe idiosycracies of the breed and then see if you compatible or not. An example We have had salukis back home even as young saplings had you tried to pin them to the floor they would have opened your hand for you but if you knew how to reinforce the pack superiority then they would realise what was expected

[bird 10,004]

one size does not fit all in dogs which ever dog people want first learn about rthe idiosycracies of the breed and then see if you compatible or not. An example We have had salukis back home even as young saplings had you tried to pin them to the floor they would have opened your hand for you but if you knew how to reinforce the pack superiority then they would realise what was expected

yeh all dogs are differnt, and 95% time your voice is all thats needed, but as said any dog that wanted act like i said, you come down on it even if you upset it, you carnt let it get away with it or next time it might not leave it at a stare .??

[Saluki246 1,053]

one size does not fit all in dogs which ever dog people want first learn about rthe idiosycracies of the breed and then see if you compatible or not. An example We have had salukis back home even as young saplings had you tried to pin them to the floor they would have opened your hand for you but if you knew how to reinforce the pack superiority then they would realise what was expected

 

Interesting point that db. Young pup i have now, she is 4 month old, nearly full saluki, she does not take well to being held firm round the neck and will take offense!, however, if i growl sharp, she reacts far better and listens. Another time, out with full saluki lamping, he seen a rabbit in the beam, but too far off, i turned the lamp off and he went to bite me to get off, i slipped him, so as not to get too stressed, he ran down the beam and brought the rabbit back out in the field and caught it....

No i am not saying that is the way, just my experience with them so far.

[riohog 5,790]

if your dog went to bite you because you didn't let it off ,then you let it off what kind of message is that to a dog? no pissing about here if my dogs ever bit me f..ck understanding it would never see the next daylight ,,

[Saluki246 1,053]

if your dog went to bite you because you didn't let it off ,then you let it off what kind of message is that to a dog? no pissing about here if my dogs ever bit me f..ck understanding it would never see the next daylight ,,

 

Sorry, should of worded that better, It was more of a frustrated nip, don't worry, if he actually bit me, it would of been a different matter, but i think this is the salukis make up in certain ways..

He has not done it since, as he went to do it again another time, i just growled and he got the message. Seen coursing dogs bite their owners when watching a course, lot of saluki in their make up as well. Just their way i think at times, they can also be quiet aggressive to other dogs too, especially males.

[riohog 5,790]

well I don't know about this growling thing , but if it works for you well ok :laugh:I would have growled my foot under its chin , but hey that's me

[Saluki246 1,053]

well I don't know about this growling thing , but if it works for you well ok :laugh:I would have growled my foot under its chin , but hey that's me

 

..i thought if you kicked them they would feck off and thats it...