Sluki Question...why?

[Dan McDonough 560]

First, I have never even watched a Saluki run in the flesh. I have no experience with them whatsoever.

 

I am under the impression that they are dumb as a box of rocks and do not consider listening to their owner as a priority.

 

Are the Saluki crosses purely for coursing competition and fire the dog in there type hunts or are they of any real value to a lurcherman?

 

Also, how are the crosses for intelligence? (ex. saluki X gh. x collie)

 

 

[forest of dean redneck 11,666]

When I think of a saluki,I think of stamina and feet,they had a rep as being untrainable but there's men on here that have them working with hawk,and I think someone had one ferreting?

[skycat 6,173]

They are not dumb at all, but if you look at their history and background, they've never evolved to work with humans and obey orders in the way a Collie does, for example. I always liken them more to a cat than a dog, and you need to get a really good bond with them if you are to succeed in working with them. They are some of the finest hunters, and their prey sense is superb. They are also as tough as they come, physically, and can often run on ground that would smash another type of dog to pieces.

 

I've had Saluki lurchers be very good ferreting and lamping dogs, as well as the more usual hare coursing. Many also take fox well too, but it all depends on the line and the individual's temperament. I guess a lot depends on your own temperament and experience, and whether you can learn to work with a dog that is more independent.

[Dan McDonough 560]

Does a cross with a collie impart the same brains to the cross the way it does with a greyhound?

[J Darcy 5,871]

Instinct is what saluki's give to the hybrid lurcher, as well as solid feet, speed, litheness and, of course, stamina like no other dog on earth. Saluki hybrids, when raised as lurchers, will act like a lurcher, and well capable of doing everything other lurchers can, however, they also have the ability to consistantly stop hares on land both big and small and that is something non-saluki lurchers wont be able to do. Just MO.

[Dan McDonough 560]

What about the brains ( on the saluki lurcher)?

Edited December 20, 2013 by Dan McDonough

[J Darcy 5,871]

What is 'brains'....define what you mean by 'brains'.

[Dan McDonough 560]

I guess what I really mean to ask is how smart are the saluki x b.c.'s compared to the g.h. x d.c.'s. Also, if the saluki x b.c. is not quite as smart as the g.h. x b.c., does the added toughness, feet and game sense make up for that. I realize some of this is pretty subjective but all experienced answers are welcome.

Edited December 20, 2013 by Dan McDonough

[Dan McDonough 560]

Maxhardcore- Are you talking about a saluki or a saluki x b.c. ? I'm definitely not interested in a pure saluki, I'll stick with the stags where that is concerned. They may not beat the saluki in endurance but they are not far behind out of the right line.

[brookie 1,193]

First, I have never even watched a Saluki run in the flesh. I have no experience with them whatsoever.

 

I am under the impression that they are dumb as a box of rocks and do not consider listening to their owner as a priority.

 

Are the Saluki crosses purely for coursing competition and fire the dog in there type hunts or are they of any real value to a lurcherman?

 

Also, how are the crosses for intelligence? (ex. saluki X gh. x collie)

 

 

what do you think is the more intelligent the collie or the saluki?

[ruby16 80]

i have two saluki crosses one is 1/2 saluki 1/2 whippet/grey, the other is 1/4 saluki 3/4 whippet/grey, they both were reasonably biddable as pups and they are both now what i consider to be top class bitches, day or night they suit me, they do what they are told without any messing, i can work them at my side on the lamp without leads and they only go when i tell them to, the daytime is a different matter and i work them from the slip although they have been off the lead on several occasions and if they see one i can call them in and they do respond, its the same old story pal, you get out what you put in.

[Casso 1,261]

The saluki are a primitive breed of dog which on the whole means they become social thru the hunt,

Not thru fussing petting or thru learning commands or given treats

 

The main problem today is the rush to training and teach manners to a pup straight out of the crib, as if the pup will become anti social if we don't put it in its place because what it does is brings us into conflict with an animal in the saluki with no genetic software to respond until a group hunting bond is formed

 

A saluki makes itself social thru hunting with its owner not before, lads try hammering in training and the dog will just tune them out

 

Every dogs intelligence lies in its ability to second guess the elements in its environment which lead it to the hunt in whatever form that takes , with the collie it's the handler and the flock, with the saluki it's the hare and if you can let the relationship grow, the handler

It's the hunt which makes the bond with the saluki lads just need to manage the dog to keep it social

[shaunpowell 130]

Go out and see a good 1 run then you'll see that there very clever dogs, I run mine day,night ferreting, and hell have a go at whatever he's slipped on, not the best of dogs by all means but gives 100% every run, recalls exellent, and retrieves to hand, you get out what you put in same as any breed, jmo, atb shaun

[arcticgun 4,548]

The recall issue is one I see raised regular when it comes to saluki threads, in three years of running in the saluki cup and club days ive yet too see a dog fail to return too its owner or slipper on field and thatsbtruth, fair does all the owners are partial to these types and work hard with em, plenty different lines in club as well dont get me wrong most of us had recall problems in luppy days and whilst they mature, but all breeds suffer that, and most of js aint the worlds best trainers either,

 

sometkmes people shout em back and dog dont come so dog is thick ignorant etc, well maybe his thousands of years of instinct are still scanning for the target, they see and smell what we cannot, so is dog really to blame, you took um out to hunt and then moan when he does it, always dogs fault, step back and learn from him then yiu learn to respect he better hunter than you, then you respect him and he respectbyou, both happy that way,

 

using collie over em should addvsomething to the mix, mbut brain already there for hunting, last thing can a dog be considered intelligent ifbit comes running back to someone who gunna flog it out of sheer frustration , too me that plain stupidity, nsaluki turn on tail and gone lol, if push come to shove human need dog more than dog need human, saluki spentthousands of years providing food in most hostile places on planet 121 with man, no wonder he expects to be treated well lol

[riohog 5,721]

sheep dog!!!

 

 

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