Crap Trainers Or Perfectionists .......

[MIK 4,763]

I don't know how people could get ridof dogs like that, I've just got my first lurcher and terrier this year both just over 5 1/2 months now i can see potential in my terrier she's been game from first walk i took her on and i saw both parents work well but the lurcher i got I'm not too sure with yet mainly cause i don't think her parents were worked and cause i got her later than i would have prefered and she seemed a bit ill treat but i know that even if she doesn't work great its not the end of the world, yeah i want my bitches to work but even if they're not great at it I'll be keeping them, they're not just working animals they're like family and friends, these people that drop dogs and get new ones constantly shouldn't even own animals its obvious they don't have the care of the animals at heart and that should come first before the numbers in my opinion

o shut up

[sandymere 8,263]

For sure there’s plenty that get through a lot of dogs, good and bad, basic odds would suggest that they rather than the dogs are usually at fault. The broader question of dog or man is a little more complex. As others have said what suits one owner doesn’t another either through breeding or expectation/standards.

 

Personally I tend to keep my dogs, other than those injured beyond work, but these days my needs are simple so standards can be low. Also I’m careful to get a type that suits my needs and I recon that’s the most important thing.

That’s followed by time, getting a dog out there doing the job; it’s no good expecting a dog to be a world beater if it only gets out weekends or once a week lamping.

The last thing is unreal expectations and the web is in part to blame for that. People read of big bags and when their young inexperienced lurcher fails to do the same the dog is blamed. In truth it’s often the owners poor entering and lack of the ability to get a dog right that’s the problem rather than a fault with the basic genetics of the dog.

[Guest vin]

bad workman usually blame the tools they're usuing.

 

you cant polish a turd etc ect.

 

its all down to individual standards and expectations.

[andy97 209]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But it's not just about obedience, but also ability. A man can only do so much, in the end the dog has to do his part too. And some don't make the grade, pure and simple.

You can train them to do anything, sit, stay, lie, retrieve fur/feather/land/water, they work the gun perfect, the long net, the ferret, but if they are bottleless and don't have the minerals to hunt what their owner wants them to hunt then there's nothing,nothing he can do about that.

The Higher the standards, the higher the wastage.

The hardest thing is being honest with yourself sometimes.

 

Even with the best dog man in the world, there comes a day when the dog is on his own and then the truth comes out....

But that can also come down to the skill of the owner on how he enters the dog to each of its quarry ... If it's rushed then the most potential of dogs could be spoiled and if held back the full potential may never come to the forefront ... Obviously you get bad dogs as with all things in life but I was talking about guys that continually swap sell buy new dogs ... Every dog they have had can't be a bad dog surely ??? ..............

You sound like my old adversary Crow.....

No matter how 'careful' you enter the dog, one day you aint there to hold his hand.

I totally agree ... But don't you agree that the better entered dog will do better ? .......

Well I'm not going to disagree with the obvious now am I? lol

 

The facts is; dog's are very much like humans. it's all great while things are rosy and sweet-smelling, they're on top of the world,......but......suddenly, when push comes to shove, the shit hits the fan, there's a fair lump of pressure on their shoulders and their true minerals will come to the surface.

Some jack...and some don't.

 

 

At that moment...that precise moment in time, the owner has zero bearing on their dog.

 

But thats JMHO.

And again I agree ... But this isn't the question I posted originally ............

It is. My answer is that it's down to the dog as much as the man behind the dog. The higher then standard, the fewer that will make the grade. IMO.

So you believe the reason some people go through dog after dog after dog is down to them having real high standards .......

 

no as been said they could have bought the dog to use for specific task and if it doesnt do the job then you need to find on that does you can have the most best trained obiediant dog in the world but if it doesnt do the job then its no good for it may be good at other things but not the task at hand same as an employee if you carnt do the job your sacked

[bird 9,942]

I don't know how people could get ridof dogs like that, I've just got my first lurcher and terrier this year both just over 5 1/2 months now i can see potential in my terrier she's been game from first walk i took her on and i saw both parents work well but the lurcher i got I'm not too sure with yet mainly cause i don't think her parents were worked and cause i got her later than i would have prefered and she seemed a bit ill treat but i know that even if she doesn't work great its not the end of the world, yeah i want my bitches to work but even if they're not great at it I'll be keeping them, they're not just working animals they're like family and friends, these people that drop dogs and get new ones constantly shouldn't even own animals its obvious they don't have the care of the animals at heart and that should come first before the numbers in my opinion

 

i get the feeling your takling from the heart, not the brain.? we know with the Ban its only rabbits,but lets say pre ban you might want more than dozen rabbits, the odd fox or good size fallow of few hares, and your pet dog carnt or wont get that other quarry.So your dog calling the shots not you,?if you want to keep a dog like that well good luck to you, but not for me, why lie to your self.And i never look at them as pets, because ive had to many get killed or get smashed up while out hunting, ok if you get dog that does what you want, you will respect it and get very fond of it.Ihad lurcherx lurcher bitch that was good lurcher, she would get good bags day+night,tackle anything on 4 legs, she had crucs/l injury finished at 4 1/2 years old, but kept her till she died at 14 year old, as said if its not got the heart for the job , it never will have and your never going to be happy or bond to it

[diago_montana 3]

 

I don't know how people could get ridof dogs like that, I've just got my first lurcher and terrier this year both just over 5 1/2 months now i can see potential in my terrier she's been game from first walk i took her on and i saw both parents work well but the lurcher i got I'm not too sure with yet mainly cause i don't think her parents were worked and cause i got her later than i would have prefered and she seemed a bit ill treat but i know that even if she doesn't work great its not the end of the world, yeah i want my bitches to work but even if they're not great at it I'll be keeping them, they're not just working animals they're like family and friends, these people that drop dogs and get new ones constantly shouldn't even own animals its obvious they don't have the care of the animals at heart and that should come first before the numbers in my opinion

i get the feeling your takling from the heart, not the brain.? we know with the Ban its only rabbits,but lets say pre ban you might want more than dozen rabbits, the odd fox or good size fallow of few hares, and your pet dog carnt or wont get that other quarry.So your dog calling the shots not you,?if you want to keep a dog like that well good luck to you, but not for me, why lie to your self.And i never look at them as pets, because ive had to many get killed or get smashed up while out hunting, ok if you get dog that does what you want, you will respect it and get very fond of it.Ihad lurcherx lurcher bitch that was good lurcher, she would get good bags day+night,tackle anything on 4 legs, she had crucs/l injury finished at 4 1/2 years old, but kept her till she died at 14 year old, as said if its not got the heart for the job , it never will have and your never going to be happy or bond to it

yeah i am speaking from heart a bit but I'm not saying if the dog doesn't work well you should keep trying to work it, that's just what i will do if it comes to it but I'm just starting out in this sport, by all means get another dog that does work well i just think if i am willing to drop a dog and pass it off because it doesn't work well for me what's to say that the next owner and so forth wont do the same, i know i will be keeping mine and getting more but if i wasn't i would want them to go to a friend or family with no interest in working animals otherwise the process will just repeat itself, i would keep a dog for months untill i found it the right home but these guys that go through 5-10 dogs a year probably just palm off the the 1st offer they get when really they should take more care and responsibility

[cantona 310]

All dogs will have a bad day or two, maybe be unsighted or ill or over worked etc, an experienced dog man will no this from experience gained from persisting with dogs , inexperienced will get shut of dog, experience doesn't come from being in the game for years on end it comes from learning of your dogs an quarry

[weasle 1,119]

If I could make one rule with dogs it would be if you don't want it,YOU personally have to put it down.

People would think much harder about there choices,and there would be a lot less dogs being passed from home to home.

[MIK 4,763]

All dogs will have a bad day or two, maybe be unsighted or ill or over worked etc, an experienced dog man will no this from experience gained from persisting with dogs , inexperienced will get shut of dog, experience doesn't come from being in the game for years on end it comes from learning of your dogs an quarry

of course experience comes from being in the game for years as in all walks of life but that doesn't mean you have knowledge

[lurchers4life 103]

The problem with people buying and selling dogs is very high from where I live and there either knobs or druggies or roid heads they all just think they can keep a dog in all week and then run the beam all night and then when it jacks its gone my dogs aint world beaters but these people I wouldnt let them have the chance to see work because theyd be gone the same night its all about money and 90% of them dont work

[paulus 26]

If I could make one rule with dogs it would be if you don't want it,YOU personally have to put it down.

People would think much harder about there choices,and there would be a lot less dogs being passed from home to home.

been saying that for ages.

[Casso 1,261]

The trouble with dogs like anything else is the owners Ego and how he thinks he's perceived by others whether the mutt is shit hot or not

 

Years ago you could just go out with a few mates with their dogs and have the craic, it was more about the company than the catch rate

[FUJI 17,327]

I expect my dogs to do the housework,go shopping,make tea do the ironing,put the bins out do the garden plus use a mop to wash the floors and do everything f***ing else!! Women it's all their any good for haha ")

[socks 32,253]

 

 

 

 

 

We all know people who go through dogs like baw and the brick go through user names ... There are plenty of them on here ... So is it down to their lack of abilities as a trainer that they can't get the best out of a dog or is it that their standards are very high and if a dog doesn't make the grade then it doesn't stay ??? ... I don't know whether I am a half decent trainer or I have very low standards lol but I have been fortunate over the years that I haven't had to move dogs on apart from injuries that stopped them working .........

I'd say you train and enter your dogs properley but I remember a long time ago when your black bitch started yapping when chasing roe I think so I guess in the end its down to the do I've seen dogs not well trained or even well fed or exercised make very good dogs and I've put time into dogs and they was useless all comes down to the dog

Lol my black bitch has never yapped on roe .. And the same fella that made that claim also said I had taken the dog to the vets and had her voice box removed ..........

oh just I haven't got bad memory and could of swore you came on here when the bitch was young asking advice on what to do not 100 percent what she was chasing but am 100 percent you posted she opened up , and this isn't what iv heard I read it when you posted it and even commented on it back in 2007 or 08 you posted she was yapping

I have never asked advice on any of my dogs yapping ..... And she was a youngster in 2005 ........

sorry must have you mixed up with another little stumpy man with a black collie x atb thedeal and u liar jan 08 you said she was 17 months still nice bitch

My my another internet hard man .............

[BIGLURKS 874]

Best advice I was ever giving a shit dog will eat as much as a good dog and still need walked the same and still cost you the same it's your choice if you keep it or not cos at the end of the day it's your money and time