Crap Trainers Or Perfectionists .......

[foresterj 1,096]

I wonder how it would work the other way around i.e if the dogs got to decide if the owners "made the grade", im sure one of mine would have me in the yellow paper next week! Lol

[Joe67 239]

I wonder how it would work the other way around i.e if the dogs got to decide if the owners "made the grade", im sure one of mine would have me in the yellow paper next week! Lol

am already on gumtree mate

[socks 32,253]

 

We all know people who go through dogs like baw and the brick go through user names ... There are plenty of them on here ... So is it down to their lack of abilities as a trainer that they can't get the best out of a dog or is it that their standards are very high and if a dog doesn't make the grade then it doesn't stay ??? ... I don't know whether I am a half decent trainer or I have very low standards lol but I have been fortunate over the years that I haven't had to move dogs on apart from injuries that stopped them working .........

I'd say you train and enter your dogs properley but I remember a long time ago when your black bitch started yapping when chasing roe I think so I guess in the end its down to the do I've seen dogs not well trained or even well fed or exercised make very good dogs and I've put time into dogs and they was useless all comes down to the dog

Lol my black bitch has never yapped on roe .. And the same fella that made that claim also said I had taken the dog to the vets and had her voice box removed ..........

[MIK 4,763]

A dog either has it or it doesn't from the minute it is born ...but entering does have a part imo there is no rules what so ever when bringing on a pup as long as it comes home thinking it is winning then when you think its ready and that is different for the individual dog you throw as much at it as you can but we all know of dogs that have had too much too soon and that's down to the owner ....

A lot of lads don't know what theyve got on the end of the slip as they've not given it enough ...its not just about numbers either imo its giving the dog hard slips when the advantage is on the quarrys side ...and from what ive seen a lot of lads are happy with just the kill.but you know a good dog its the hole package

I remember watching old coursing vids and there were lads slipping on kick ups and they were happy with the kill then im sure it was Moyes he would let the hare get right out then slip the dog .

As for lads going through dogs they maybe just don't have access to decent stuff ...but what I find funny is the lads that say well im happy with the dog and I find a lot of hancocks owners come out with that ...some of us just don't want to be happy some of us want that little bit more

[MIK 4,763]

On another note... how much training does lads do with there lurchers? ....retrieve, jump on command ,recall,steady to livestock and a very important one if the dog misses it comes back straight away ready for the slip to be put back on ...there is nothing worse than dogs hunting on and clearing a place ... there a few aother little commands and quiet whisles that's just what the dog picks up on when out in the field but that's about it for me

[DEERMAN 1,020]

I think it boils down to all the reasons mentioned combined

 

Coin -some people will sell their granny's

 

Latest craze -some blokes go with latest craze cross

 

Dogs -you cant put in what the lord didn't -everyone has different standards

 

But id say if same blokes are getting rid all the time id say its got a big part to do with bloke ,i know a bloke whose brag is hes been in terriers for 30 years but never has nothing out his yard but goes through 20 odd terriers a year and these have been pups and from good places 1/2 of them ,surely he must strike lucky a few times with dogs he has gone through ??????? but he don't,it beats me how he still gets dogs /pups or anyone with any sense goes out with the clown

Edited December 18, 2013 by DEERMAN

[oddser 79]

if the owners daft the dog will be its simple as that

[skycat 6,173]

All dogs are not born equal: some will always be better than others, no matter how they've been entered, but the average pup can become good if it is lucky enough to have a really good owner/trainer who understands how to tap into what the dog already possesses. Unfortunately, most dogs belong to people who don't understand how to read a dog, and have no idea how to improve on what is already there, so they just muddle along and hope for the best. When the best doesn't happen they feel that the dog has let them down, and get shot of it. I know that everyone has to start from a place of ignorance, but far too many have no desire to learn and improve their knowledge or understanding of dogs, and it is easier to blame the dog than look at themselves and ask if it is they who need to learn and improve.

[TheDeal 63]

 

 

We all know people who go through dogs like baw and the brick go through user names ... There are plenty of them on here ... So is it down to their lack of abilities as a trainer that they can't get the best out of a dog or is it that their standards are very high and if a dog doesn't make the grade then it doesn't stay ??? ... I don't know whether I am a half decent trainer or I have very low standards lol but I have been fortunate over the years that I haven't had to move dogs on apart from injuries that stopped them working .........

I'd say you train and enter your dogs properley but I remember a long time ago when your black bitch started yapping when chasing roe I think so I guess in the end its down to the do I've seen dogs not well trained or even well fed or exercised make very good dogs and I've put time into dogs and they was useless all comes down to the dog

Lol my black bitch has never yapped on roe .. And the same fella that made that claim also said I had taken the dog to the vets and had her voice box removed ..........

oh just I haven't got bad memory and could of swore you came on here when the bitch was young asking advice on what to do not 100 percent what she was chasing but am 100 percent you posted she opened up , and this isn't what iv heard I read it when you posted it and even commented on it back in 2007 or 08 you posted she was yapping Edited December 18, 2013 by TheDeal

[South hams hunter 8,922]

You cant teach tenacity, speed, stamina or intelligence things that can all be vital on set quarry preban. It doesnt matter how many hours you put into training and entering, id the dog doesn't have the heart for fox it wont do them, doesnt have the stamina for a few runs on daytime hare it cant do them

[jambay5 191]

 

We all know people who go through dogs like baw and the brick go through user names ... There are plenty of them on here ... So is it down to their lack of abilities as a trainer that they can't get the best out of a dog or is it that their standards are very high and if a dog doesn't make the grade then it doesn't stay ??? ... I don't know whether I am a half decent trainer or I have very low standards lol but I have been fortunate over the years that I haven't had to move dogs on apart from injuries that stopped them working .........

i have moved one dog on a couple due too injury but I know what you mean there is a group on Facebook i some how got on and there is a lad on there that has been threw more dogs then I have boxers some folk don't have a dog long enuf too know what's it problems are just some folk are dicks

 

does he live in leeds by any chance???

 

a lad i no has had around 50 dogs in the 2 years i have known him!! from pups to 5years old!! the thing that get my goat is they never stay long enough to fail!! one bad night and there gone! i dont care what anyone says no dog will go out night after night doing 10 out of 10!!

 

for me there is nothing better than watching a dog develop from 8weeks old to a full blown hunter! i mean i have a dog in my kennel at the min i dont do much with at all apart from the odd walk with the lamp! but he has been with me from 10 weeks old!! i got him as a lamping dog but dont do much lamping at all but i still would not part with him!! for one simple reason!! the c*nt who as had 50 dogs in 2 year! would hate to think one of my dogs who i had invested time and effort into would end up in the hands of someone like him!! there was a time when i took unwanted dogs in! got them sorted and re-homed them! but 2013 has put an end to all that for me, there are some good lads out there! and a few on here aswell such as pipa,newkid,redtherocket, was talking to bird the other day and he sounds like a top bloke as well. but too many in this game out to do lads a bad turn!! i will do owt for anyone its the kind of guy i am. but have got to a point now where i trust no-one sad world we live in really.

 

Happy Xmas All.

[socks 32,253]

 

 

 

We all know people who go through dogs like baw and the brick go through user names ... There are plenty of them on here ... So is it down to their lack of abilities as a trainer that they can't get the best out of a dog or is it that their standards are very high and if a dog doesn't make the grade then it doesn't stay ??? ... I don't know whether I am a half decent trainer or I have very low standards lol but I have been fortunate over the years that I haven't had to move dogs on apart from injuries that stopped them working .........

I'd say you train and enter your dogs properley but I remember a long time ago when your black bitch started yapping when chasing roe I think so I guess in the end its down to the do I've seen dogs not well trained or even well fed or exercised make very good dogs and I've put time into dogs and they was useless all comes down to the dog

Lol my black bitch has never yapped on roe .. And the same fella that made that claim also said I had taken the dog to the vets and had her voice box removed ..........

oh just I haven't got bad memory and could of swore you came on here when the bitch was young asking advice on what to do not 100 percent what she was chasing but am 100 percent you posted she opened up , and this isn't what iv heard I read it when you posted it and even commented on it back in 2007 or 08 you posted she was yapping

I have never asked advice on any of my dogs yapping ..... And she was a youngster in 2005 ........

[TheDeal 63]

 

 

 

 

We all know people who go through dogs like baw and the brick go through user names ... There are plenty of them on here ... So is it down to their lack of abilities as a trainer that they can't get the best out of a dog or is it that their standards are very high and if a dog doesn't make the grade then it doesn't stay ??? ... I don't know whether I am a half decent trainer or I have very low standards lol but I have been fortunate over the years that I haven't had to move dogs on apart from injuries that stopped them working .........

I'd say you train and enter your dogs properley but I remember a long time ago when your black bitch started yapping when chasing roe I think so I guess in the end its down to the do I've seen dogs not well trained or even well fed or exercised make very good dogs and I've put time into dogs and they was useless all comes down to the dog

Lol my black bitch has never yapped on roe .. And the same fella that made that claim also said I had taken the dog to the vets and had her voice box removed ..........

oh just I haven't got bad memory and could of swore you came on here when the bitch was young asking advice on what to do not 100 percent what she was chasing but am 100 percent you posted she opened up , and this isn't what iv heard I read it when you posted it and even commented on it back in 2007 or 08 you posted she was yapping

I have never asked advice on any of my dogs yapping ..... And she was a youngster in 2005 ........

sorry must have you mixed up with another little stumpy man with a black collie x atb thedeal and u liar jan 08 you said she was 17 months still nice bitch Edited December 18, 2013 by TheDeal

[diago_montana 3]

I don't know how people could get ridof dogs like that, I've just got my first lurcher and terrier this year both just over 5 1/2 months now i can see potential in my terrier she's been game from first walk i took her on and i saw both parents work well but the lurcher i got I'm not too sure with yet mainly cause i don't think her parents were worked and cause i got her later than i would have prefered and she seemed a bit ill treat but i know that even if she doesn't work great its not the end of the world, yeah i want my bitches to work but even if they're not great at it I'll be keeping them, they're not just working animals they're like family and friends, these people that drop dogs and get new ones constantly shouldn't even own animals its obvious they don't have the care of the animals at heart and that should come first before the numbers in my opinion

[TheDeal 63]

Liar jan 08 you said she was 17 months.