J Darcy 5,871 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 But it's not just about obedience, but also ability. A man can only do so much, in the end the dog has to do his part too. And some don't make the grade, pure and simple. You can train them to do anything, sit, stay, lie, retrieve fur/feather/land/water, they work the gun perfect, the long net, the ferret, but if they are bottleless and don't have the minerals to hunt what their owner wants them to hunt then there's nothing,nothing he can do about that. The Higher the standards, the higher the wastage. The hardest thing is being honest with yourself sometimes. Even with the best dog man in the world, there comes a day when the dog is on his own and then the truth comes out.... But that can also come down to the skill of the owner on how he enters the dog to each of its quarry ... If it's rushed then the most potential of dogs could be spoiled and if held back the full potential may never come to the forefront ... Obviously you get bad dogs as with all things in life but I was talking about guys that continually swap sell buy new dogs ... Every dog they have had can't be a bad dog surely ??? .............. You sound like my old adversary Crow..... No matter how 'careful' you enter the dog, one day you aint there to hold his hand. I totally agree ... But don't you agree that the better entered dog will do better ? ....... Well I'm not going to disagree with the obvious now am I? lol The facts is; dog's are very much like humans. it's all great while things are rosy and sweet-smelling, they're on top of the world,......but......suddenly, when push comes to shove, the shit hits the fan, there's a fair lump of pressure on their shoulders and their true minerals will come to the surface. Some jack...and some don't. At that moment...that precise moment in time, the owner has zero bearing on their dog. But thats JMHO. 3 Quote Link to post
socks 32,253 Posted December 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 But it's not just about obedience, but also ability. A man can only do so much, in the end the dog has to do his part too. And some don't make the grade, pure and simple. You can train them to do anything, sit, stay, lie, retrieve fur/feather/land/water, they work the gun perfect, the long net, the ferret, but if they are bottleless and don't have the minerals to hunt what their owner wants them to hunt then there's nothing,nothing he can do about that. The Higher the standards, the higher the wastage. The hardest thing is being honest with yourself sometimes. Even with the best dog man in the world, there comes a day when the dog is on his own and then the truth comes out.... But that can also come down to the skill of the owner on how he enters the dog to each of its quarry ... If it's rushed then the most potential of dogs could be spoiled and if held back the full potential may never come to the forefront ... Obviously you get bad dogs as with all things in life but I was talking about guys that continually swap sell buy new dogs ... Every dog they have had can't be a bad dog surely ??? .............. You sound like my old adversary Crow..... No matter how 'careful' you enter the dog, one day you aint there to hold his hand. I totally agree ... But don't you agree that the better entered dog will do better ? ....... Not necessarily.... Lol ok I will re phrase it ... The better entered dog will have a better chance of making the grade ...... Quote Link to post
tjones3862 3,423 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 (edited) ive said this before,,i mite of bin looky,,,, in 32 years ive add 5 dogs and never add any dogs ive got shut of,,his the percentage of dogs that bad or his it the owners,,,,,look at man,,u ,,,,, now fergi has gone... or will time tell,,,lol Edited December 17, 2013 by tjones3862 3 Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 all dogs have faults the same as all humans but its the ability to combine the two to overcome this that makes something special, if it was just down to, heart, speed.brain then the perfect one dog fits all would be here, but its not, Quote Link to post
socks 32,253 Posted December 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 But it's not just about obedience, but also ability. A man can only do so much, in the end the dog has to do his part too. And some don't make the grade, pure and simple. You can train them to do anything, sit, stay, lie, retrieve fur/feather/land/water, they work the gun perfect, the long net, the ferret, but if they are bottleless and don't have the minerals to hunt what their owner wants them to hunt then there's nothing,nothing he can do about that. The Higher the standards, the higher the wastage. The hardest thing is being honest with yourself sometimes. Even with the best dog man in the world, there comes a day when the dog is on his own and then the truth comes out.... But that can also come down to the skill of the owner on how he enters the dog to each of its quarry ... If it's rushed then the most potential of dogs could be spoiled and if held back the full potential may never come to the forefront ... Obviously you get bad dogs as with all things in life but I was talking about guys that continually swap sell buy new dogs ... Every dog they have had can't be a bad dog surely ??? .............. You sound like my old adversary Crow..... No matter how 'careful' you enter the dog, one day you aint there to hold his hand. I totally agree ... But don't you agree that the better entered dog will do better ? ....... Well I'm not going to disagree with the obvious now am I? lol The facts is; dog's are very much like humans. it's all great while things are rosy and sweet-smelling, they're on top of the world,......but......suddenly, when push comes to shove, the shit hits the fan, there's a fair lump of pressure on their shoulders and their true minerals will come to the surface. Some jack...and some don't. At that moment...that precise moment in time, the owner has zero bearing on their dog. But thats JMHO. And again I agree ... But this isn't the question I posted originally ............ Quote Link to post
johnny 2 367 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 anybody ever heard of the lottery.... Quote Link to post
northern lad 2,292 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 ive said this before,,i mite of bin looky,,,, in 32 years ive add 5 dogs and never add any dogs ive got shut of,,his the percentage of dogs that bad or his it the owners,,,,,look at man,,u ,,,,, now fergi has gone... or will time tell,,,lol 5 dogs over 32 years isn't down to luck.... 2 Quote Link to post
J Darcy 5,871 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 But it's not just about obedience, but also ability. A man can only do so much, in the end the dog has to do his part too. And some don't make the grade, pure and simple. You can train them to do anything, sit, stay, lie, retrieve fur/feather/land/water, they work the gun perfect, the long net, the ferret, but if they are bottleless and don't have the minerals to hunt what their owner wants them to hunt then there's nothing,nothing he can do about that. The Higher the standards, the higher the wastage. The hardest thing is being honest with yourself sometimes. Even with the best dog man in the world, there comes a day when the dog is on his own and then the truth comes out.... But that can also come down to the skill of the owner on how he enters the dog to each of its quarry ... If it's rushed then the most potential of dogs could be spoiled and if held back the full potential may never come to the forefront ... Obviously you get bad dogs as with all things in life but I was talking about guys that continually swap sell buy new dogs ... Every dog they have had can't be a bad dog surely ??? .............. You sound like my old adversary Crow..... No matter how 'careful' you enter the dog, one day you aint there to hold his hand. I totally agree ... But don't you agree that the better entered dog will do better ? ....... Well I'm not going to disagree with the obvious now am I? lol The facts is; dog's are very much like humans. it's all great while things are rosy and sweet-smelling, they're on top of the world,......but......suddenly, when push comes to shove, the shit hits the fan, there's a fair lump of pressure on their shoulders and their true minerals will come to the surface. Some jack...and some don't. At that moment...that precise moment in time, the owner has zero bearing on their dog. But thats JMHO. And again I agree ... But this isn't the question I posted originally ............ It is. My answer is that it's down to the dog as much as the man behind the dog. The higher then standard, the fewer that will make the grade. IMO. Quote Link to post
johnny 2 367 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 ive said this before,,i mite of bin looky,,,, in 32 years ive add 5 dogs and never add any dogs ive got shut of,,his the percentage of dogs that bad or his it the owners,,,,,look at man,,u ,,,,, now fergi has gone... or will time tell,,,lol 5 dogs over 32 years isn't down to luck.... Nah just old age 1 Quote Link to post
socks 32,253 Posted December 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 But it's not just about obedience, but also ability. A man can only do so much, in the end the dog has to do his part too. And some don't make the grade, pure and simple. You can train them to do anything, sit, stay, lie, retrieve fur/feather/land/water, they work the gun perfect, the long net, the ferret, but if they are bottleless and don't have the minerals to hunt what their owner wants them to hunt then there's nothing,nothing he can do about that. The Higher the standards, the higher the wastage. The hardest thing is being honest with yourself sometimes. Even with the best dog man in the world, there comes a day when the dog is on his own and then the truth comes out.... But that can also come down to the skill of the owner on how he enters the dog to each of its quarry ... If it's rushed then the most potential of dogs could be spoiled and if held back the full potential may never come to the forefront ... Obviously you get bad dogs as with all things in life but I was talking about guys that continually swap sell buy new dogs ... Every dog they have had can't be a bad dog surely ??? .............. You sound like my old adversary Crow..... No matter how 'careful' you enter the dog, one day you aint there to hold his hand. I totally agree ... But don't you agree that the better entered dog will do better ? ....... Well I'm not going to disagree with the obvious now am I? lol The facts is; dog's are very much like humans. it's all great while things are rosy and sweet-smelling, they're on top of the world,......but......suddenly, when push comes to shove, the shit hits the fan, there's a fair lump of pressure on their shoulders and their true minerals will come to the surface. Some jack...and some don't. At that moment...that precise moment in time, the owner has zero bearing on their dog. But thats JMHO. And again I agree ... But this isn't the question I posted originally ............ It is. My answer is that it's down to the dog as much as the man behind the dog. The higher then standard, the fewer that will make the grade. IMO. So you believe the reason some people go through dog after dog after dog is down to them having real high standards ....... Quote Link to post
J Darcy 5,871 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 And alot depends on what tasks a man want's his dog to perform. What quarry? Day or night? 'Cos let me tell you, if a man think's he's going to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear for catching daytime fallow, he's most mistaken. (pre-ban obviously) 1 Quote Link to post
BIGLURKS 874 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 ive said this before,,i mite of bin looky,,,, in 32 years ive add 5 dogs and never add any dogs ive got shut of,,his the percentage of dogs that bad or his it the owners,,,,,look at man,,u ,,,,, now fergi has gone... or will time tell,,,lolhas your main thing always been rabbits mate or did u dabble in the pre ban stuff as well Quote Link to post
J Darcy 5,871 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 But it's not just about obedience, but also ability. A man can only do so much, in the end the dog has to do his part too. And some don't make the grade, pure and simple. You can train them to do anything, sit, stay, lie, retrieve fur/feather/land/water, they work the gun perfect, the long net, the ferret, but if they are bottleless and don't have the minerals to hunt what their owner wants them to hunt then there's nothing,nothing he can do about that. The Higher the standards, the higher the wastage. The hardest thing is being honest with yourself sometimes. Even with the best dog man in the world, there comes a day when the dog is on his own and then the truth comes out.... But that can also come down to the skill of the owner on how he enters the dog to each of its quarry ... If it's rushed then the most potential of dogs could be spoiled and if held back the full potential may never come to the forefront ... Obviously you get bad dogs as with all things in life but I was talking about guys that continually swap sell buy new dogs ... Every dog they have had can't be a bad dog surely ??? .............. You sound like my old adversary Crow..... No matter how 'careful' you enter the dog, one day you aint there to hold his hand. I totally agree ... But don't you agree that the better entered dog will do better ? ....... Well I'm not going to disagree with the obvious now am I? lol The facts is; dog's are very much like humans. it's all great while things are rosy and sweet-smelling, they're on top of the world,......but......suddenly, when push comes to shove, the shit hits the fan, there's a fair lump of pressure on their shoulders and their true minerals will come to the surface. Some jack...and some don't. At that moment...that precise moment in time, the owner has zero bearing on their dog. But thats JMHO. And again I agree ... But this isn't the question I posted originally ............ It is. My answer is that it's down to the dog as much as the man behind the dog. The higher then standard, the fewer that will make the grade. IMO. So you believe the reason some people go through dog after dog after dog is down to them having real high standards ....... Some people, yes.Some will settle for second best (myself included) but third best? No! Quote Link to post
salukixgrey 779 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 sometimes they either got it or not, good and bad in all warps of life, even the best dog men have had dogs you dont here of that wasnt capable. pick your pup take your chance Quote Link to post
TOMO 26,231 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 I agree with jd,, and jack,, down to standards,,, or even what you the owner is willing to accept ..... 5 Quote Link to post
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