Coursing.changing Public Opinion

[THE STIFFMEISTER 15,749]

G, I went to London, Glasgow edinburgh and Newcastle on the c a matches, they were little but jolly days out for the shooting boys, I'll never forget passing a line of fishermen in the tweed on the way to Edinburgh, c**ts mate, I've had scant regard for such sportsmen since

 

Inan, they should have got on the telly, not on DVDs, channel 4 would have shownit as they're not shy when it's the gypsies with their dogs are they???

As I mentioned I was at the huge c a march, if we'd had skips ran by professional firms to donate to, hunting would not be banned today , instead the c a attitude of going on about social rights to hunt was nothing short of cringeworthy,there's even a bloke banging on about it in last weeks c w m stil, let it go

 

Joe public aren't daft we should have admitted we enjoy hunting for the dogs and the crack, but showed them the conservation issues that we give back and how shooting is indiscriminately cruel

[Giro 2,648]

Shooting cruel ??

 

That made me cringe :laugh:

 

Folk think eating meats cruel, its not a good starting point for debate

[inan 841]

G, I went to London, Glasgow edinburgh and Newcastle on the c a matches, they were little but jolly days out for the shooting boys, I'll never forget passing a line of fishermen in the tweed on the way to Edinburgh, c**ts mate, I've had scant regard for such sportsmen since

 

Inan, they should have got on the telly, not on DVDs, channel 4 would have shownit as they're not shy when it's the gypsies with their dogs are they???

As I mentioned I was at the huge c a march, if we'd had skips ran by professional firms to donate to, hunting would not be banned today , instead the c a attitude of going on about social rights to hunt was nothing short of cringeworthy,there's even a bloke banging on about it in last weeks c w m stil, let it go

 

Joe public aren't daft we should have admitted we enjoy hunting for the dogs and the crack, but showed them the conservation issues that we give back and how shooting is indiscriminately cruel

So we defend one fieldsport by attacking and comparing it to another.? That would immediately isolate us from the rest of those that hunt or shoot, good thinking. The public already think we are a bunch of yobs and poaching criminals as it is.

 

 

I defend all field sports I dont go foxhunting ,have only been beagling twice ,don't do digging, dont shoot much any more, yet I have, and would again defend the right of those that do.

I marched down the Mall next to gents in pinstripes who were shooting men ,we were surrounded by Welsh Hill Farmers and their gunpack boys, behind us were some Terrier men,and Lurcher boys, all sorts took part .

We need each other.

 

I would agree that I never met a fisherman that went on the marches,and I was glad that PETA had those big posters put up with fishhooks in dogs mouths, in an effort to get fishing banned.Anglers do seem complacent but then they are by far the biggest majority of those that do a form of field sport

Divide and conquer

[inan 841]

Inan what are the C/A doing now and what plans ~ thoughts have they got for the future ??

 

I am 32 so have had pre ban and todays crack..

 

When the first march's were organised I was under 18 and still at college.. I could not afford to go and show support, nor would my parents of allowed it..

 

I would attend , promote anything that carried any weight with regards reinstating hunting - coursing to what it once was ..

 

Is there anything individuals can do at present that would be helpful ??

 

I have written to local Mps in the past.. I have been invited to a question and answer session by the local Mp in Feb .

Why dont you join and find out? If you go to the Q&A make very sure you are fully briefed,otherwise your input could come across as detrimental rather than positive.

 

Whatever you do keep your temper, and come across as reasonable and as open minded as you can.

 

I watched Baroness Ann Mallalieu, the President of the C/A, being harangued by two anti interviewers once , she kept her voice low and measured and came over as intelligent, articulate ,and sensible which of course she is, they came across as hysterical fools.

 

She is a QC so words are her business, but its about keeping your cool when the opposition is getting irate ,

Well done for writing to MPs, my one is pro hunting when he originally campaigned, I asked him where he stood on it

Edited December 18, 2013 by inan

[Giro 2,648]

Looked at the website, it did not appear to be geared towards me..

 

Like you, I would not condemn another mans sport and stand untied.

 

Who would give advice and a briefing,before engaging in public speaking ?? Do C/A has specialized spokes people ?

 

I will join CA its not a lot of cash.. Spent more in a Indian with the mrs

[THE STIFFMEISTER 15,749]

My punt wasn't at shooting , just that most people think of shooting as the best option whilst those in the know are aware of the limited role shooting can play in sporting pest control , eg The fox on the lamp that gets its front leg hit and escapes into the night rather than having a bull cross following it up.....

[boyo 1,398]

 

I'm not saying the Real Countryside Alliance

Didn't exist

I'm saying the c**ts who were on the payroll

Of the Countryside Allience those regionaly high

Up were cowards from what I saw on numerous e

Occasions

And Parliment Square from what I saw was your

Normal Fieldsportsman/working class man and some women who did what they felt had to be done.

Overall no where near enough was done on numerous occasions or we wouldn't be where we were now

I will say this when the Hunting Ban was passed

That was the Beginning of the End as Britain

As we knew it

From that moment Goverment thought we have done this and got away with it

So we can do anything

And they have

Maybe the blame that not enough was done can be shared with those who couldn't be arsed to go on those demos and rallies?

 

I support the C/A because as far as I'm concerned its the "only game in town".

 

 

Lets be frank, the difference between the foxhunting followers and many of the coursing brigade is one word, it begins with P and ends with N.

If you are doing something you shouldn't be, but are on permission and have the consent of the landowner and are seen to be "complying with the strictures of the Hunting Act," you have an excellent chance of finishing the day without undue hassle, you may get a visit from Plod but it's unlikely to go much further than that.

 

If you are doing something you shouldn't be, without the landowners consent and you are reported to the Old Bill, the chances are you will have a bad ending to your day out.

 

Before anyone calls me an anti , or against Coursing ,don't bother, I'm just stating the facts as I see them.

 

 

 

 

innan when you said before anyone says your an anti or against coursing nearly pissed myself lol they couldnt be more wrong if they tried . lol.

[inan 841]

Looked at the website, it did not appear to be geared towards me..

 

Like you, I would not condemn another mans sport and stand untied.

 

Who would give advice and a briefing,before engaging in public speaking ?? Do C/A has specialized spokes people ?

 

I will join CA its not a lot of cash.. Spent more in a Indian with the mrs

There are all sorts in the C/A, doubled barelled names, and plenty of Joe Bloggs's ,its a requirement for being in our club, I think its £36 through the club , but they have deals on for first time joiners etc I feel it is wortht it for the insurance alone.I dont know about advice . but I'm sure you would be helped.

We are lucky in that our Chairman is well spoken and articulate,so he comes over well when dealing with either the public or the Plod.

[inan 841]

 

 

I'm not saying the Real Countryside Alliance

Didn't exist

I'm saying the c**ts who were on the payroll

Of the Countryside Allience those regionaly high

Up were cowards from what I saw on numerous e

Occasions

And Parliment Square from what I saw was your

Normal Fieldsportsman/working class man and some women who did what they felt had to be done.

Overall no where near enough was done on numerous occasions or we wouldn't be where we were now

I will say this when the Hunting Ban was passed

That was the Beginning of the End as Britain

As we knew it

From that moment Goverment thought we have done this and got away with it

So we can do anything

And they have

Maybe the blame that not enough was done can be shared with those who couldn't be arsed to go on those demos and rallies?

 

I support the C/A because as far as I'm concerned its the "only game in town".

 

 

Lets be frank, the difference between the foxhunting followers and many of the coursing brigade is one word, it begins with P and ends with N.

If you are doing something you shouldn't be, but are on permission and have the consent of the landowner and are seen to be "complying with the strictures of the Hunting Act," you have an excellent chance of finishing the day without undue hassle, you may get a visit from Plod but it's unlikely to go much further than that.

 

If you are doing something you shouldn't be, without the landowners consent and you are reported to the Old Bill, the chances are you will have a bad ending to your day out.

 

Before anyone calls me an anti , or against Coursing ,don't bother, I'm just stating the facts as I see them.

 

 

 

 

innan when you said before anyone says your an anti or against coursing nearly pissed myself lol they couldnt be more wrong if they tried . lol.

 

Yes I know J but if you speak the truth some think you must be against them.

[Giro 2,648]

Will let you know how it goes..

 

I be as guilty as anyone moaning about this that and the other and not attempting to do something.. Even just to be better informed ..

 

Plus I want to get the Tories agenda on a few other issues, that could effect me in the future..

[pesky1972 5,220]

I don't know on that one but it was in the BBC news about a paralysed pitcher abandoned so when that happens it's a score for the rspca and the antis which obviously is unfortunate but preventable.

That type of thing is never going to help coursing.

The headline on the BBC report was "Lurcher 'left paralysed by hare coursers' walks after specialist surgery". The report also makes statements like " A dog thought to have been left paralysed and abandoned by hare coursers, has walked out of a vet's surgery for a new home." and "It is thought the dog may have been kicked by hare coursers to disable her and hide their tracks". I can't see any evidence in the report that this has anything to do with hare coursing, so what gives? Is this just another example of lazy journalism or is there another agenda? Remember this crap is served up by a public service provider funded by the license fee payer. They/we deserve better than this!

[danw 1,748]

My punt wasn't at shooting , just that most people think of shooting as the best option whilst those in the know are aware of the limited role shooting can play in sporting pest control , eg The fox on the lamp that gets its front leg hit and escapes into the night rather than having a bull cross following it up.....

And yet your example is totally legal if an animal is wounded your well within your rights to follow it up with whatever breed you choose

[fox digger 1,086]

I think its a money thing as well, not trying to put the lurcher men down or out but any tom d**k or harry can go out an buy a dog an start running rabbits might not be a good dog but there doing it, how many of us can get a shot gun licence an pay to be on these big shoots or own a horse and a pack of hounds? This country will an always will look after the rich an put down the poor in every way, there's nothing more brutal then shooting or wounding an animal its just the type of people the lurcher world brings they don't like, hope I'm not offending anyone just my views

 

 

richnew i dont know if down to being rich or poor just because one form of hunting is picked over the other. personally i keep horses and follow a mounted pack, there is alot of shit and snobbery in some packs yes i agree, i keep a few of my own hounds to hunt myself, i keep lurchers and terriers for the purpose they are intended for and i have gundogs to rough shoot over, each to there own. im far from rich and work hard to keep and pay for what i enjoy doing on the days i dont work,

 

when the hunting marches were on i stood in them to help there cause, i did likewise in the terrier troubles we had here of late and did what i could to help that cause, my point in this post is that hunting is covers alot of different sub catagories but hunters as a whole need to "sing from the one hm sheet " as paulus puts it. post on here giving out about the mounted hunt wont do any good, the mounted hunt have a strong cry because of numbers and organisation. they did terriermen proud with there support to fight the abolision of terriers to ground, they supply the men and horses at the big coursing events here in ireland and as a whole they do far more good than harm for hunting as a whole. realistically how many lurcher men supported the hunting marches??

 

im not a coursing man but i do help our local coursing club from time to time, getting rid of foxes around hare pens and a few other favours now and then, my point being ill scratch there back as they HUNT and they may just help me in another way at some point down the road as i HUNT, We are all hunters, we just do it different ways.....

 

most of the people i know that illegally course around here are scum, they steel dogs (yes i have proof) they put massive bets on the dogs, treat them like shit, and dont have a single bit of permission but just go where they like, obviously not impressing farmers and have other issues involving the law. Thats not a gereralisation of coursers and i know others that are spot on, have permission, come and go un-noticed with no hassle and the dogs are in top nick.

 

(i shoot but id never shoot a hare)

Edited December 18, 2013 by fox digger

[fox digger 1,086]

 

To be honest I rarely hear anyone moaning about coursing being barbaric .....mostly the issue seems to be about its association with pikeys, the money element, driving land with no perm, the dog thefts, the groups of multiple lads and dogs and the plastering of it all over the Internet .........

 

Most folk don't give a rats arse about the hare, hence why they all get shot!

also true

 

here here

[soldier p 6]

Its only a few hundred quid in court a weekend on the piss f**k um