04fox8 168 Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 Just had an interesting conversation with a workmate about his dog. He was saying that about 5 years ago, his dog lay down, legs rigid, frothing from the mouth, and only the eyes has any movement. He took it to the vet, who treated it for epilepsy....2 days later, it was back to normal. A few weeks later, he met up with a neighbour, who had went through the same, but blamed yet another neighbour, who had allegedly got 2 flower pots / trays full of Rat Poison in case any dogs or cats came into his garden....... Now, 5 years on, no further episodes of 'Epilepsy'.... What would be the symptoms if the dog had ate Rat Poison? I have neither Dog (yet) nor use Poison, so don't know what the combination would result in. Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
R.A.W 1,987 Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 I think It would depend on the which poison it was...... A mate of mine is a pro pest controller and dropped off some rat poison the other day. when i inquired about the effect he explained that it was an anticoagulant (took some spelling ). which surprised me because I was always under the impression hat it gave them a constant thirst . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 most second generation rodenticides in common use would require the dog to eat it over several days to be lethal, anticoagulant causes internal bleeding Quote Link to post Share on other sites
R.A.W 1,987 Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 most second generation rodenticides in common use would require the dog to eat it over several days to be lethal, anticoagulant causes internal bleeding It's Ironic because it's been down a few days now and the rats never mind anyone's dog will touch it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 most second generation rodenticides in common use would require the dog to eat it over several days to be lethal, anticoagulant causes internal bleeding It's Ironic because it's been down a few days now and the rats never mind anyone's dog will touch it my sisters white shepherd had a fit a month ago no reason Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stripes 401 Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 A mate lost a very good terrier because the dog was in contact with a poisoned rat, dog had obviously eaten the rat ingesting the poison, as far as i know the bait was the blue blocks called storm. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
04fox8 168 Posted December 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 most second generation rodenticides in common use would require the dog to eat it over several days to be lethal, anticoagulant causes internal bleeding I thought the same, But like I say, I am totally in the dark about this, so thought I'd ask some of you out there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,569 Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 (edited) most second generation rodenticides in common use would require the dog to eat it over several days to be lethal, anticoagulant causes internal bleeding Anti-coagulants prevent blood clotting, a second agent in the poison causes internal haemorrhage - the poison kills the rat because it is incapable of vomiting. All advise to keep all non-target species well away and also to be wary of poisoning water courses. (You almost feel sorry for them - not a nice way to go !) Edited December 8, 2013 by Blackbriar Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 most second generation rodenticides in common use would require the dog to eat it over several days to be lethal, anticoagulant causes internal bleeding Anti-coagulants prevent blood clotting, a second agent in the poison causes internal haemorrhage - the poison kills the rat because it is incapable of vomiting. All advise to keep all non-target species well away and also to be wary of poisoning water courses. (You almost feel sorry for them - not a nice way to go !) so whats the difference between hemorrhage and bleeding Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the_stig 6,614 Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 http://www.petmd.com/dog/conditions/toxicity/c_multi_bromethalin_rodenticide_toxicity#.UqTdwdJFDIU 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moll. 1,770 Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 A mate lost a very good terrier because the dog was in contact with a poisoned rat, dog had obviously eaten the rat ingesting the poison, as far as i know the bait was the blue blocks called storm. I'm pretty sure a dog cannot die from secondary poisoning from rat poison Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stripes 401 Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 It can moll, and did kill the dog, it caused organ failure as far as i know neighbours had laid poison. Dog was a well worked terrier of good age unless its age was against it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,569 Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 most second generation rodenticides in common use would require the dog to eat it over several days to be lethal, anticoagulant causes internal bleeding Anti-coagulants prevent blood clotting, a second agent in the poison causes internal haemorrhage - the poison kills the rat because it is incapable of vomiting. All advise to keep all non-target species well away and also to be wary of poisoning water courses. (You almost feel sorry for them - not a nice way to go !) so whats the difference between hemorrhage and bleeding Being better at spelling ! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobcullen79 1,495 Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 A mate lost a very good terrier because the dog was in contact with a poisoned rat, dog had obviously eaten the rat ingesting the poison, as far as i know the bait was the blue blocks called storm. I'm pretty sure a dog cannot die from secondary poisoning from rat poison Thats what a pestie told me. The dog would have to eat its weight or half its weight in posioned mice or rats. Dont know how much truth there is in that, but obviously prevention is better than cure. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oohmydog 82 Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 A mate rang us the other week said he had seen a fox knocking around the straw barn ,I took the terriers over and had a look round about 10 bales up I found 2 foxes curled up dead very fresh ,he had been poisoning the rats under the pallets and I can only think the foxes had been eating the rats ,to kill them both in the same night im not sure just how much poison could cause harm to a terrier ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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