.22Lr Decoying?

[Bunny Boiler 177]

http://www.newatlanticonline.co.uk/products/shooting-and-country-sports/shotgun-cartridges-and-cabinets/shotgun-cartridges/rc-jk6-t3-20g-cartridges-26g-6-shot-25.html

 

For a 20g shotgun.

[shropshire dan 467]

I use eley maximum 34g 5's for everything but its a fair recoil in a old side by side

Very good shells and very rarely miss now with them to be honest. I can shoot 50 shells no problem but when I start getting 60-100 shells the next day I can't even put my socks on. I'm only 25

[Ratsmasher 36]

I use eley maximum 34g 5's for everything but its a fair recoil in a old side by side

Very good shells and very rarely miss now with them to be honest. I can shoot 50 shells no problem but when I start getting 60-100 shells the next day I can't even put my socks on. I'm only 25

Why use such a heavy load? I use 30g 6 for anything living and drop down to 28g 7.5 for clays. Also get yourself a gun that doesn't kick you so much. I know people like to use sbs because they are traditional but surely it's worth getting something different if it means you can carry on? I'm pretty sure that you can buy aftermarket kick off butt plates like beretta have on some of their guns or just get an auto

[shropshire dan 467]

Are semis a lot less recoil though?

I'm not sure why I've stuck to those loads but they are awesome 50yards pigeon all day with 24" barrels also duck rabbit and hare have no chance within 50yards. They really are good

[Deker 3,478]

Are semis a lot less recoil though?

I'm not sure why I've stuck to those loads but they are awesome 50yards pigeon all day with 24" barrels also duck rabbit and hare have no chance within 50yards. They really are good

 

Noticeably so!

[danw 1,748]

The ticket says vermin and ground game. I understand pheasants are better with a shotgun but whilst rabbiting if a pheasant pops up I'd probably shoot it with .22lr. I wouldn't shoot at anything if I wasn't confident of a humane kill

pheasants are neither vermin nor ground game so therefore not covered by your fac conditions unless your fac is varied aolq

[Cliff Ray 185]

I don't have a recoil issue, but I would say the fastest FITASC clay rounds through my Benelli semi auto have no more perceived recoil than a standard 20g round in my girlfriends O/U

[shropshire dan 467]

Ill have a test of a couple semis when I've got the rifles. Thanks again all

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Dan

[Alsone 789]

I'd never shoot into trees matey.

The main reason really is I suffer with a bad lower back with and with the recoil of my 12g it gets a lot worse. I'm looking at getting a .410 pump in the future but not just yet. Thought I'd just try my hand at decoying with rifle and saving a money on shells in the meantime

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Dan

 

Just for the record...

 

NEVER fire any proper rifle into the air period and that includes bushes, trees, wall top etc, in fact anywhere you do not have a verifiable background behind the object that acts as a proper safe bullet stop.

 

I believe from memory an elevated .22 LR round is dangerous to a range of 1.5 MILES (it's usually printed on the boxes).

 

(When elevated it a bullet follows a parabolic curve and with the right angle of elevation that becomes the max range for .22 LR)!!!!)

 

Centre-fire is considerably more dangerous, from memory I've seen warnings of 3 miles or more!

 

Any bullet that leaves your land / permission makes you liable for a charge of Armed Trespass although endangering the public etc is likely to be thrown in there as well. Hit property and you'll get charged with Criminal Damage at a minimum. Hit a person and you're looking at grievous bodily harm or manslaughter depending on how it pans out without any of the additional firearm charges that will be thrown in, and it goes without saying you'll lose your certificate, period and for most likely for ever (remember the para about not being a danger to the public?).

 

NEVER EVER elevate a rifle beyond a solid backstop or fire into woods / bushes unless you have a backstop the other side and can see all of the way through.

 

There are a lot of vids on Youtube of Americans firing at targets with bushes and woodland behind and TBH many of them are just idiots. Don't be misled by them. If you can't see all the way behind the target / prey to a safe backstop you shouldn't be taking the shot. You don't know who is in the woods / bushes nor do you know who's on the land beyond yours, and in the case of elevation, can you see 1.5 miles and guarantee its safe?

 

As for shotguns, if you suffer from recoil problems then semi is the way to go. Just be aware they are frowned on, on some shoots and even prohibited on some others. 1st thing to buy here is a chamber flag.

Edited December 6, 2013 by Alsone

[charlie caller 3,654]

I think he already said he would never consider firing into trees/bushes? The load you are using is a heavy load, no wonder your back hurts, that is a wildfowling load, and out of a game gun its going to kick, try some 30 gm 6s mate, they will kill just as well, and you will think you are firing a .410 in comparison, but a semi auto, especially a gas operated one will have hardly any perceived recoil at all.

[shropshire dan 467]

Cheers chaps. As said ill never fire in a dangerous manner I aint daft lol. I will try some 30g 6's mate. And defo look at a semi once funds permit the rifles are to priority at minute lol. Thanks again

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Dan

[Alsone 789]

Yeah 30g;s No:6 is pretty much the universal game round. You could even drop it to 28g's if you wanted although you are opening up the pattern doing that.

 

Also explore some slower rounds. Personally I like a sharp cartridge but at 6 ft and nearly 16 stone, it doesn't really bother me. I'm built well! I prefer less lead (pronounced leed (as the two things are spelt the same!)) and more speed. If you want a softer round, get something a little more slower at the 1,200 fps end of the spectrum instead of the 1,400 fps.

[shropshire dan 467]

Cheers alsone. I've always managed fine until a bad crash a couple years ago left with a weak back.

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Dan

[Alsone 789]

No problem.

 

Actually I just looked and most cartridges are pretty fast these days. Been a while since I bought any and I always bought the fastest I could get my hands on anyway,

 

These from the Hull range seem to have the lowest recoil in the range according to the Hull (triple Crown in case the link goes bad):

 

http://www.hullcartridge.co.uk/threecrowns.htm

 

I'd try 28gms No: 6 personally if you're trying to keep the recoil down. 7's too small for really for live game although like anything you can get away with it at close range. However, its not good practice.

 

The other thing you could do is go subsonic eg Lyvale do some subsonic loads. However, I've never shot subsonic so I don't know what the effect on lead (leed) and range would be. I imagine lead would be large and range limited but others would have to chip in here.

[shropshire dan 467]

Thanks alsone. Ill have to try a few different loads