Born Hunter 17,775 Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 It doesn't need to be converted to uranium, but it does need a small amount of uranium or plutonium to make it fission. You're right but in a Thorium reactor Uranium is produced through neutron absorbtion and beta decay I believe. So both it true. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
charlie caller 3,654 Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 Lets just hope Landrover dont start making one, its bound to blow up Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 It doesn't need to be converted to uranium, but it does need a small amount of uranium or plutonium to make it fission. You're right but in a Thorium reactor Uranium is produced through neutron absorbtion and beta decay I believe. So both it true. I thought the big thing with thorium was its relative abundance in the earth's crust and ease of handling in a raw state when compared to uranium or plutonium. It's not fissile in its raw state, but its transmutable into uranium which is fissile. The fissile materiel is added to start it off.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,775 Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 (edited) It doesn't need to be converted to uranium, but it does need a small amount of uranium or plutonium to make it fission. You're right but in a Thorium reactor Uranium is produced through neutron absorbtion and beta decay I believe. So both it true. I thought the big thing with thorium was its relative abundance in the earth's crust and ease of handling in a raw state when compared to uranium or plutonium. It's not fissile in its raw state, but its transmutable into uranium which is fissile. The fissile materiel is added to start it off.. A very small percentage of Thorium is fissile too. Dunno if that can be enriched? It's probably just more practical to turn it to fissile Uranium with neutron radiation. I think the Thorium reaction produces Uranium-233 and 232 where as a conventional Uranium reactor uses 235 and 233? Anyway apparently 233 is very difficult to chemically separate from the stable 232 so you can't use Thorium reactors to produce the ingredients for enriched weapons grade Uranium. Which is obviously another benefit. Edited December 4, 2013 by Born Hunter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted December 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 At a test site in Norway, Thor Energy has successfully created a thorium nuclear reactor — but not in the sense that most people think of when they hear the word thorium. The Norwegians haven’t solved the energy crisis and global warming in one fell swoop — they haven’t created a cold fusion thorium reactor. What they have done, though, which is still very cool, is use thorium instead of uranium in a conventional nuclear reactor. In one fell swoop, thorium fuel, which is safer, less messy to clean up, and not prone to nuclear weapons proliferation, could quench the complaints of nuclear power critics everywhere. In a conventional nuclear reactor, enriched uranium fuel is converted into plutonium and small amounts of other transuranic compounds. There are ways to recycle plutonium, but for many countries, such as the USA, it is simply a waste product of nuclear power — a waste product that will be dangerously radioactive for thousands of years. While the safety of nuclear power plants is hotly contested, no one is arguing the nastiness of plutonium. Any technological development that could reduce the production of plutonium, or consume our massive stocks of plutonium waste, would be a huge boon for the Earth’s (and humanity’s) continued well-being. (See: Nuclear power is our only hope, or, the greatest environmentalist hypocrisy of all time.) Enter thorium. Natural thorium, which is fairly cheap and abundant (more so than uranium), doesn’t contain enough fissile material (thorium-231) to sustain a nuclear chain reaction. By mixing thorium oxide with 10% plutonium oxide, however, criticality is achieved. This fuel, which is called thorium-MOX (mixed-oxide), can then be formed into rods and used in conventional nuclear reactors. Not only does this mean that we can do away with uranium, which is expensive to enrich, dangerous, and leads to nuclear proliferation, but it also means that we finally have an easy way of recycling plutonium. Furthermore, the thorium-MOX fuel cycle produces no new plutonium; it actually reduces the world’s stock of plutonium. Oh, thorium-MOX makes for safer nuclear reactors, too, due to a higher melting point and thermal conductivity. Thorium-MOX, in short, is about as exciting as it gets in the nuclear power industry. Before it can be used, though, Thor Energy needs to make sure that the thorium fuel cycle is fully understood. To do this, the company has built a small test reactor in the Norwegian town of Halden, where rods of thorium-MOX provide steam to a nearby paper mill. This reactor will run for five years, after which the fuel will be analyzed to see if it’s ready for commercial reactors. (See: 500MW from half a gram of hydrogen: The hunt for fusion power heats up.) The first batch of thorium-MOX pellets, which are inside the rods, was made in Germany; the next batch of pelles will be made in Norway; and the final, hopefully commercial-grade pellets will be made by the UK’s National Nuclear Laboratory. Westinghouse Electric Company, one of the world’s largest producers of nuclear reactors, is one of Thor Energy’s commercial backers. (And yes, just in case you were wondering, the element thorium really is named after Thor, the Norse god of thunder. And yes, Norse mythology originated from Norway, where Thor Energy is based. Coincidence, I think not!) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,029 Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 http://www.laserpowersystems.com/ They're really careful not to call it what it is, that's why the article was so vague on where the actual energy comes from. The word 'nuclear' is fecking awful for PR. Salesmen avoid it like the plague. There will be one thing limiting this technology, safety, especially in todays world of terrorism. From my understanding Thorium cannot sustain a nuclear reaction without constant input of energy unlike Hydrogen which is elementally unstable and enriched Uranium which has a very long half life. Thorium seems to be a very good answer to the energy question. It is able to store the energy and release it safely. I'll do some more research I'm very curious about this yes I'm a bit of a geek at heart Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pip1968 2,490 Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 http://www.laserpowersystems.com/ They're really careful not to call it what it is, that's why the article was so vague on where the actual energy comes from. The word 'nuclear' is fecking awful for PR. Salesmen avoid it like the plague. There will be one thing limiting this technology, safety, especially in todays world of terrorism. From my understanding Thorium cannot sustain a nuclear reaction without constant input of energy unlike Hydrogen which is elementally unstable and enriched Uranium which has a very long half life. Thorium seems to be a very good answer to the energy question. It is able to store the energy and release it safely. I'll do some more research I'm very curious about this yes I'm a bit of a geek at heart im a bit of a geek found that boys brigade shed 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,029 Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 http://www.laserpowersystems.com/ They're really careful not to call it what it is, that's why the article was so vague on where the actual energy comes from. The word 'nuclear' is fecking awful for PR. Salesmen avoid it like the plague. There will be one thing limiting this technology, safety, especially in todays world of terrorism. From my understanding Thorium cannot sustain a nuclear reaction without constant input of energy unlike Hydrogen which is elementally unstable and enriched Uranium which has a very long half life. Thorium seems to be a very good answer to the energy question. It is able to store the energy and release it safely. I'll do some more research I'm very curious about this yes I'm a bit of a geek at heart im a bit of a geek found that boys brigade shed FLMAO ya weirdo did you bump into HD round the back? Set of dodgy cnuts :laugh: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pip1968 2,490 Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 http://www.laserpowersystems.com/ They're really careful not to call it what it is, that's why the article was so vague on where the actual energy comes from. The word 'nuclear' is fecking awful for PR. Salesmen avoid it like the plague. There will be one thing limiting this technology, safety, especially in todays world of terrorism. From my understanding Thorium cannot sustain a nuclear reaction without constant input of energy unlike Hydrogen which is elementally unstable and enriched Uranium which has a very long half life. Thorium seems to be a very good answer to the energy question. It is able to store the energy and release it safely. I'll do some more research I'm very curious about this yes I'm a bit of a geek at heart im a bit of a geek found that boys brigade shed FLMAO ya weirdo did you bump into HD round the back? Set of dodgy cnuts :laugh: gathered youd like that speak to ye later in the chat room 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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