Ian Church Lakelands

[Accip74 7,112]

Why does a non looker have to be 'queen Anne legged', it's just ordinary working dogs ffs..........I've seen grown men spit their dummy's out over a bit of red ribbon.....it's pathetic!!

 

It's harder to breed a consistent line of true 'stayers' than show winners.....

Edited December 8, 2013 by Accip74

[gonetoearth 5,144]

SO you think you can breed a consistant line of working terrier

[lurchers 2,878]

I doubt Mr.Church would be happy with some of the crud brought up on here in his name,the time and effort he puts into what he now has in his kennels,would leave the vast majority of us in the shade,he likes a smart dog,he wins shows,shows,shows and shows,he likes to put work infront of his kennel,at times,thus a smarter than the average jukel and some of them that see a shovel or two,whats the problem?,the money that passes between some of these lads for dogs is their concern,it was not to long ago a kennel got wiped out in that area with dogs worth a small fortune,how many now are winning shows and working mutts that did,nt put Ians dedication and outlay into,yet are reaping the reward of what the dog nappers enabled them to own?.

You are write there mate.the lad has worked dam hard and travelled for what he has today and selected breeding.it all comes down to jealousy as Ian probably wouldn't line there's dogs as they probably not worth a look at.the lad knows what he wants so theres nothing wrong with that and like ive said I like a looker to.no wonder I don't hardly come on this site as it's getting worse for people slagging other peoples hard work out of jelousy

Edited December 7, 2013 by lurchers

[morton 5,368]

Why does a non worker have to be 'queen Anne legged', it's just ordinary working dogs ffs..........I've seen grown men spit their dummy's out over a bit of red ribbon.....it's pathetic!!

 

It's harder to breed a consistent line of true 'stayers' than show winners.....

Queen anne legged,a little poetic licence.Its as hard to produce a a consistent grafter as it is to produce a consistent show winner,until you start judging others terriers?.All im saying is because a dog wins a show does not detract from its working ability,in some kennels?.I took on a couple of these smartish mutts,not to long ago,Buster and Vandal,Vandal was past her prime yet grafted as well as any terrier ive ever seen,Buster was as good a digging dog as ive ever seen or owned,in my kennel i was more interested in the work they offered,i showed them and won zilch,the previous owner,better recognised by the judges fared better at the shows with them,yet never gave them work,not the dogs fault.Never knock a working terrier that wins shows,its better to knock an ugly queen anne legged fecker that can,t win a show or work?.

[Accip74 7,112]

SO you think you can breed a consistant line of working terrier

Rule 1. Forget about little red ribbons

[gonetoearth 5,144]

 

SO you think you can breed a consistant line of working terrier

Rule 1. Forget about little red ribbons

. Why

[morton 5,368]

 

SO you think you can breed a consistant line of working terrier

Rule 1. Forget about little red ribbons

 

Rule 2.Blue and yellow ribbons are far more forgettable?.

[Accip74 7,112]

 

Why does a non worker have to be 'queen Anne legged', it's just ordinary working dogs ffs..........I've seen grown men spit their dummy's out over a bit of red ribbon.....it's pathetic!!

It's harder to breed a consistent line of true 'stayers' than show winners.....

 

Queen anne legged,a little poetic licence.Its as hard to produce a a consistent grafter as it is to produce a consistent show winner,until you start judging others terriers?.All im saying is because a dog wins a show does not detract from its working ability,in some kennels?.I took on a couple of these smartish mutts,not to long ago,Buster and Vandal,Vandal was past her prime yet grafted as well as any terrier ive ever seen,Buster was as good a digging dog as ive ever seen or owned,in my kennel i was more interested in the work they offered,i showed them and won zilch,the previous owner,better recognised by the judges fared better at the shows with them,yet never gave them work,not the dogs fault.Never knock a working terrier that wins shows,its better to knock an ugly queen anne legged fecker that can,t win a show or work?.

You've got me wrong.......I wasn't knocking a good looking worker......I'm knocking breeding based on looks.

I've only had one terrier who could win a show.......& he won the Great Yorkshire (not with me) he worked as good as any.

But I've had plenty who would stay till dug.................I know what I would prefer....

[Accip74 7,112]

 

 

SO you think you can breed a consistant line of working terrier

Rule 1. Forget about little red ribbons

. Why

How can you even argue that???

[gonetoearth 5,144]

SO you think you can breed a consistant line of working terrier

 

Rule 1. Forget about little red ribbons

. Why

 

How can you even argue that???

. Not arguing just wanting to glean. Wisdom

[whippet 99 2,613]

nothing changes on here.............blind leading the blind,........

my lines better than yours my lines this and that........eat shite........

[morton 5,368]

 

 

Why does a non worker have to be 'queen Anne legged', it's just ordinary working dogs ffs..........I've seen grown men spit their dummy's out over a bit of red ribbon.....it's pathetic!!

It's harder to breed a consistent line of true 'stayers' than show winners.....

Queen anne legged,a little poetic licence.Its as hard to produce a a consistent grafter as it is to produce a consistent show winner,until you start judging others terriers?.All im saying is because a dog wins a show does not detract from its working ability,in some kennels?.I took on a couple of these smartish mutts,not to long ago,Buster and Vandal,Vandal was past her prime yet grafted as well as any terrier ive ever seen,Buster was as good a digging dog as ive ever seen or owned,in my kennel i was more interested in the work they offered,i showed them and won zilch,the previous owner,better recognised by the judges fared better at the shows with them,yet never gave them work,not the dogs fault.Never knock a working terrier that wins shows,its better to knock an ugly queen anne legged fecker that can,t win a show or work?.

You've got me wrong.......I wasn't knocking a good looking worker......I'm knocking breeding based on looks.

I've only had one terrier who could win a show.......& he won the Great Yorkshire (not with me) he worked as good as any.

But I've had plenty who would stay till dug.................I know what I would prefer....

 

As soon as appearance became more important than substance the world of the working terrier became fecked,the KC brigade and ribbon chasers have fecked more breeds than Errol 13" Flynn.Id prefer any type of grafter over any type of show mutt,yet i have an affinity for a smart Black and Tan Lakey that grafts,possibly a lesser affinity than the likes of Churchey that puts far more time and effort into his kennel than the vast,vast majority of lads about.I still believe its easier to produce a grafter than it is to produce a grafter that wins shows,one i care little about,yet i won,t knock the one,s that do.

[gonetoearth 5,144]

nothing changes on here.............blind leading the blind,........

my lines better than yours my lines this and that........eat shite........

lol best thing you have ever said bodmin

[Accip74 7,112]

It may be more difficult if you have the inclination to win shows, as well as work..........but 100% workers?

 

But I think the vast majority of true working terrier men haven't got that............they just breed worker to worker.

 

For me, shows haven't been a positive for working terriers......& especially in recent years for fell types......

 

£5000 for a terrier......lol

[CorkyJohn 808]

I doubt Mr.Church would be happy with some of the crud brought up on here in his name,the time and effort he puts into what he now has in his kennels,would leave the vast majority of us in the shade,he likes a smart dog,he wins shows,shows,shows and shows,he likes to put work infront of his kennel,at times,thus a smarter than the average jukel and some of them that see a shovel or two,whats the problem?,the money that passes between some of these lads for dogs is their concern,it was not to long ago a kennel got wiped out in that area with dogs worth a small fortune,how many now are winning shows and working mutts that did,nt put Ians dedication and outlay into,yet are reaping the reward of what the dog nappers enabled them to own?.

As said I think its more the peddlars who have paid ridiculous money for workers/jackers & breed from them regardless. Ians dogs are renowned for looks, quite simply some of the pricks that keep this line know the pups will sell regardless whether or not the parents work. I've been told he kept some tidy grafters & his dogs had to work, just a shame he didn't keep them to himself.