holy grail 0 Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 hey there hunters. ive just gone right out and got myself a deerhound for foxes. however all my experience has been done with Staghounds. so how do they compare??? i went with the deerhound for something different and my god.. he's about a foot taller than the stags.. Any Comments? Quote Link to post
B.L.B 0 Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Hey holy grail, if you don't mind me asking where did you get him from? We hunt with both, you'll probally notice a difference in attitude, the pure Deerhounds are not as highly strung and restless as alot of stags their pretty cruisy, love lounging around and like to do things their way and in their own time, which sometimes can take a bit of getting used to. I've also found that they have a different running style, alot of the stags i've seen work are really quick and run more like a greyhound and run flat out from word go where as the Deerhounds wind up alot more and only run as fast as they have to and then pick the time to strike. They are awesome to watch in a big paddock, very powerfull with big long strides sometimes it seems like they wind right up and just keep getting faster, they'll run straight past a stag sometimes on a long chase and seem to have done it really calmly and effortlessly. They can sometimes be a bit stubborn and almost frustrating and you think that its just easier to catch things with the stag but when you see one bring their 'A game' i think they take some beating. Quote Link to post
deerhound working 3 Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 hey there hunters. ive just gone right out and got myself a deerhound for foxes. however all my experience has been done with Staghounds. so how do they compare??? i went with the deerhound for something different and my god.. he's about a foot taller than the stags.. Any Comments? deerhounds are like no other you think there not moving and then there they are bang they can test you they are a great dog to learn from the longer the race the better they get enjoy them you will learn a lot from them if you have patience with them they are not for everyone enjoy it will be a rollacoster ride Quote Link to post
holy grail 0 Posted September 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 B.L.B. thanks for your reply. i got him from Moe, in Victoria. he's actually in the blood line of one of the current deerhound show dogs. however my dog has never been used for showing. before i got him the breeder put me onto a friend of her's whom has 2 of her dogs which he uses on foxes. i spoke ot him and he said that he had stags up until 4 years ago, when he got 2 deeries. he says that he's never going back. he reckons that his bigger dog would nearly break the foxes back when he hits them. he also commented on the loyalty of the deeries compared to the stags. ive certainly noticed that diference already. one question B.L.B - is it wrong to take the dog out on his own and see whether he'll go a fox? or should he be taught by watching the other dogs do their stuff? Quote Link to post
Staghound 0 Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 if your just after foxs and not worried about skippys i think you have gone backwards i had a pure deer male, a 3/4 deer X grey male and a 1/2 cross bitch. the 2 males were good if there was alot of room or i was after the big stuff but when it came to just foxs on the small dairy farm paddocks they just couldnt do it to my liking. when either of them did get hold of a fox you got to see just how powerful they were but the just never caught fast enough for me. the deer/ saluki/grey pups i breed from them have got a good mix of it all. they nail most foxs in the first 50 meters and have the power/stanima to do it all night which is what im after if i had big open areas to hunt in i would probly have another one, nothing runs like a deerhound Quote Link to post
Stabs 3 Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 Hey Staghound...you got any pics of the saluki crosses? Quote Link to post
Mitch 0 Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 If you are after just foxes from what i have seen and expereinced, the smaller dogs that are quick on the turn seem to do it best. My mate has one that is 27' to the shoulder i think, and he is awsome. However out west on the open flats i got too watch some deerhounds work, I think they are in a league of there own. The way they hunt and chase is awsome, and the way they hit and kill is definatley a sight too see. The one thing I have learnt from my Staghound is that they need plenty of time, so i can only imagine that the deerhound would take longer. I found it best to give her the option of killing foxes and let her do it in her own time. She is 15 months and hasnt killed one yet, but im not fussed none the less. Good luck with your pup Quote Link to post
whin 463 Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 saw both run i would pick a good cross over any pure deerhound maybe wrong but for killing game in smaller feilds saw good staghounds get it over and done with quickly but [bANNED TEXT] never no maybe there a chimera out there a one of deerhound bred to what us scots kept a few centuries backk all the best Quote Link to post
holy grail 0 Posted September 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 yer i see where your coming from. when im out foxing, it is quiet often a kelpy that initially runs the fox down. but the killing is almost always left to the stags. from what your saying, i get the impression that my deerhound will be good, all my hunts are done on flat/cropping and pasture land around the finley and deniliquin area. so when you say the 'smaller, quicker turning dogs' do you just mean the stags? or are you talking about X's of many things like saluki's and greyhounds? im interested because it may be good to have one of those as well, for the small - compact type chases. thankyou for replying to my post Quote Link to post
STUNTMAN 552 Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 (edited) Go with the STAGS bred to run, catch and kill other K9s period. Edited September 14, 2007 by STUNTMAN Quote Link to post
allgame 0 Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 good pics the dog at the front with the arched back is a nice looking dog and what breed are the dogs in the second pic Quote Link to post
brother fox 1 Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 If hes a foot taller than your stags that must put him at over 40 inches at the shoulder. Quote Link to post
STUNTMAN 552 Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 The dogs in those pics are American bred Staghounds wich are totally different from the Staghounds from the UK. The Staghound here have been bred down for a couple hundred years to run catch coyotes wich on the average are 35lbs. good pics the dog at the front with the arched back is a nice looking dog and what breed are the dogs in the second pic Quote Link to post
hairybull 3 Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 IF they take a bit longer to wind up does that mean they tend to catch a bit further out as well? I have run stags and currently run smooth roodogs. My stags never learnt of another dog- I trapped foxes and from pups they new foxes were bad and were killing them by 6 or so months. Other half wants to get a deerhound next but I like them to start a bit earlier. Interesting topic. Quote Link to post
B.L.B 0 Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 Holy grail, How old is he mate? No its not wrong to take him out on his own, most Deerhounds have a amazing hate for foxes from a very young age so they don't usally need much incouraging, but it dosen't hurt to take them out with another dog a couple of times first so they can see exactly what to do. I know your probally eager to get him out there and catching some foxes but before you go showing him to much about chasing and killing things make sure he's completly stock proof, im sure you've done that already with sheep and cattle etc but make sure you do it with horses as well because they won't think twice about taking on something that sort of size. When there talking about the quicker turning dogs they just mean the smaller type dogs say under 27 inches, you have to be carefull because over here most people will call any crossbreed running dog with a shaggy coat a staghound, where i prefer to name the make up of the dog like these boys from the [bANNED TEXT].K do. A staghound for me is a staight deerhound greyhound cross, no whippet and no wolfhound. Anyway sorry i got a bit sidetracked if you were after a smaller type dog, my mate runs a Staghound/GreyhoundxWhippet which is a little cracker, really good all round sort of dog. Quote Link to post
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