whenthemoongoesdown 54 Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 not noticed the coat that much mate but helps them swim better Quote Link to post
Country Joe 1,411 Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Im not far behind Border Lad age wise, and may I say his dogs look on top condition, I started with running dogs 45 years ago, then no one I knew fed raw, but the Dogs were still fed well. I had an outside boiler, and in to this went Beef, tripe, when there was a local Abattoir, Hare Rabbit, and Sheep heids. this would be boiled, and added to meal, my dogs ran well on this feeding. Always used a supplement on pups, then I used SA57. Now I usually feed raw with Gain 20% and I give the pup a teaspoon of Gain Garmavit supplement. A tub will do me months, and it didn't break the bank, pup looks well, and in good nick. Would he have been the same without the supplement, who knows. Its the Greyhound Lads that make me laugh, visited a trainers kennels recently, and it was, like walking into a Chemist shop. 1 Quote Link to post
C Hall 552 Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Paulus I don't use supplements unless you can call glucose and recharge that? as i said i understand glucose both before and after a run as its what fuels the dog and its whats deplenished after a run, i understand the potassium and sodium in recharge before a run but not immediately afterwards as the dogs blood is already overloaded with them I am guilty of adding beta cel to there food before a session at the beginning of the season when its still warm and they still on route to being fit. So saying I don't use supplements was a little white lie Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Paulus I don't use supplements unless you can call glucose and recharge that? as i said i understand glucose both before and after a run as its what fuels the dog and its whats deplenished after a run, i understand the potassium and sodium in recharge before a run but not immediately afterwards as the dogs blood is already overloaded with them I am guilty of adding beta cel to there food before a session at the beginning of the season when its still warm and they still on route to being fit. So saying I don't use supplements was a little white lie i thought beta cell`s was something to do insulin produced by the pancreas or something along those lines so i assume is some sort of glucose additive? Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Paulus I don't use supplements unless you can call glucose and recharge that? as i said i understand glucose both before and after a run as its what fuels the dog and its whats deplenished after a run, i understand the potassium and sodium in recharge before a run but not immediately afterwards as the dogs blood is already overloaded with them I am guilty of adding beta cel to there food before a session at the beginning of the season when its still warm and they still on route to being fit. So saying I don't use supplements was a little white lie i thought beta cell`s was something to do insulin produced by the pancreas or something along those lines so i assume is some sort of glucose additive? just googled beta cells Quote Link to post
C Hall 552 Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 (edited) Paulus it's an electrolyte produced for greyhounds. Beta Cel. Edited November 15, 2013 by C Hall Quote Link to post
C Hall 552 Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 http://www.greyhoundsuperstore.co.uk/displayprods.asp?qid=116&qdbquery=searchprodbycat&qtitle=%3Cfont+color%3Dred%3EVetsearch%3C%2Ffont%3E Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Paulus it's an electrolyte produced for greyhounds. Beta Cel. read the smallprint "Why choose Beta-Cel®? Common greyhound diets may not contain sufficient electrolytes (body salts) to meet the needs of racing greyhounds. Travelling ..." proper grub and regular exercise would maybe mean its not needed Quote Link to post
C Hall 552 Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Paulus fitness and proper grub are the key but its not always that simple Telling game that the weather is a bit humid plus the dog behind them are not quite fit enough to cope with gruella of a run and may get acidosis doesn't seem to work Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Paulus fitness and proper grub are the key but its not always that simple Telling game that the weather is a bit humid plus the dog behind them are not quite fit enough to cope with gruella of a run and may get acidosis doesn't seem to work as you know i've been there and got the t shirt but its not something that happens daily its a random occurrence like those who get killed by cows, the key is reducing the possibility, no supplement or additive on the market is not going to do squat about that only the owner has that influence to a limited degree, if a dogs suffers mild acidosis then administering electrolytes might seem to be a wonder cure and as i keep saying water and sugar are needed. however with mild acidosis the salt and potassium will not do any damage but if the dog has full blown rhabdomyolysis then adding extra potassium and sodium would seem to be akin to trying to put out a fire with petrol. people really do need to understand where and when to use products and not see them as a quick fix for inadequacies in there feeding or exercise regimes Quote Link to post
border lad 1,047 Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 I boil the meat+veg, carrots, cabbage, old celery, there is usually, two or 3 sticks, I still have a good contact for my meat, I thank country-Joe for his comments +other lads, on the other hand, if I had put up a photo, of dogs in bad condition, there would have been about 20 pages, of there complaints, when a dog has run well, covered a lot of ground, again the owner sees this in his dog, it is up to the fellow wether he gives a supplement in his food that day or not,,,,, no one is saying you have to do that, it is entirely, up to the individual, I know what I DO AND MY DOGS IS THE PROOF OF THE ATTENTION THEY RECIEVE, Quote Link to post
Banter 1,751 Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Paulus it's an electrolyte produced for greyhounds. Beta Cel. use to stick electrolyte into my battery when i should been putting it into the dog Quote Link to post
border lad 1,047 Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 If a novice reading this topic is confused about using supplements before reading this topic they certainly will be after reading it paulus and border lad have dementia setting in i CERAINLY do not have dementia setting in, only good basic knowledge, and experience, of running my type of dog, and STILL LEARNING, YES STILL LEARNING, the day you think you know it all, its time you started with another hobby Quote Link to post
C Hall 552 Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 STILL LEARNING, YES STILL LEARNING, the day you think you know it all, its time you started with another hobby Good advice and possibly your best ever post on THL Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 I boil the meat+veg, carrots, cabbage, old celery, there is usually, two or 3 sticks, I still have a good contact for my meat, I thank country-Joe for his comments +other lads, on the other hand, if I had put up a photo, of dogs in bad condition, there would have been about 20 pages, of there complaints, when a dog has run well, covered a lot of ground, again the owner sees this in his dog, it is up to the fellow wether he gives a supplement in his food that day or not,,,,, no one is saying you have to do that, it is entirely, up to the individual, I know what I DO AND MY DOGS IS THE PROOF OF THE ATTENTION THEY RECIEVE, hopefully we all try to do best for our dogs, as science moves forward some of the old thinking is replaced by new findings, the producers of these products have a vested interest in keeping the same old thinking going, i can only say what i have experienced and found out by researching why certain things have happened as i hate not knowing WHY, take adding vegetables, the new thinking is unless you liquify or purify it then very little of the associated vitamins and minerals are absorbed as it passes through the intestine. again all new to me but makes perfect sense if you think about it. my mrs has to have a vitamin b12 injection every 12 weeks as her body needs needs it for some reason the same with iron and pregnancy some need extra some don't, but in both cases there is a medical reason due to a metabolic anomaly in the body, its not a one size fits all scenario. Quote Link to post
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