redcharge 378 Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 Or keep him on the lead. Or post what if lol you would knock a lad for not knowing so don't knock him for asking! Belter Quote Link to post
Hot Meat 3,109 Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 Wouldn't worry too much, most Jack anyways 1 Quote Link to post
CorkyJohn 808 Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 Get somebody who knows what they're doing to help, even better if you're a member of a terrier club. Why are you asking?. .? ??? Quote Link to post
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 Get somebody who knows what they're doing to help, even better if you're a member of a terrier club. Why are you asking?. .? ??? oh this is getting better and better corky he said lol that i had blown it up and i said. He should have put what if in his title as we all thought it was trapped oh read it i cant be arsed lol 3 Quote Link to post
TOPPER 1,809 Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 Well my pat wasn't bred out of earth dogs and his bushing style suits me so I'm happy with my choice. I started the subject to help myself and my dogs in the field. About the "badger situation" there are non on my permission and I avoid them like the plague I don't even look twice at one never mind let my dog off near one. So if my dog came out of a fox set after 15 mins that would be ideal! Thanks yorkshire-kid and they wonder why good earthdogs are hard to find for fck sake Quote Link to post
neil cooney 10,416 Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 Well said Topper. Sad. Quote Link to post
yorkshire-kid 44 Posted November 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 And they wonder why no young lads get into earth work Quote Link to post
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 And they wonder why no young lads get into earth work. See i told you !!!!!! You should have said IF !!!!!! LOL 2 Quote Link to post
CorkyJohn 808 Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 Get somebody who knows what they're doing to help, even better if you're a member of a terrier club. Why are you asking?. .? ??? oh this is getting better and better corky he said lol that i had blown it up and i said. He should have put what if in his title as we all thought it was trapped oh read it i cant be arsed lol I initially thought he'd lost it to ground then returned home to the PC to look for an answer....thank f**k he didnt Quote Link to post
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 Get somebody who knows what they're doing to help, even better if you're a member of a terrier club. Why are you asking?. .? ??? oh this is getting better and better corky he said lol that i had blown it up and i said. He should have put what if in his title as we all thought it was trapped oh read it i cant be arsed lol I initially thought he'd lost it to ground then returned home to the PC to look for an answer....thank f**k he didnt . Exactly Quote Link to post
wirral countryman 2,110 Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 (edited) Yorkshire kid,we've all been in the situation you describe at some point and in the most unlikely places,I've lost dogs to ground in local parks,golf courses,etc just letting the kids take them for a walk or letting them have a shit,etc,its all part of owning a terrier and not always practical to wear a collar 24hrs a day.I know you said your terrier was'nt off earthdogs but genetics are a funny old thing and they can skip generations to throw a hard worker now and then,so be aware and get a locator ,you sound like you're doing the right things by getting to know the area you hunt and observing all the possible places your terrier may slip into,also knowing your dog,staying focussed on where he is at all times,try not to let him push too far ahead of you when pushing the cover,in the past when I've lost a terrier in this way I've used my stick to locate them,pushing it into the ground and listening to the end till I find them at the loudest point baying,always mark it with a little stick,block up any holes with large rocks etc,but leave a small hole for air at the top,then go get your bar and spades and if possible phone a few mates for help.Even an organised dig can turn to sh*t in the blink of an eye,experience is only gained in the field and none of us are born with the knowledge, it has to be hard earned but you can limit the pitfalls,always keep a first aid kit in your car along with a good torch,spare batteries for locators,torch,locator box,spade,bar and join the fell and moorland in case it gets beyond your limits,if nothing else you will get good advice without critisism about what to try next.I personally hate land drains as they were put in without maps and only old f*ckers with the local knowledge know where they go,I've seen my terrier enter a land drain in a ditch that we had bolted fox after fox for years untill one day we ran a fox out of cover into it,the terrier was right in behind,found that terrier half a mile away in an 8ft down main receptor box,the land drain was about 5ft up the wall,so after dropping into it she then could'nt get back up 5 ft,only found that bitch by asking the farm labourer who was about 90yrs old did he know of any drain covers that had been put in or grown over,he walked out into a ploughed field and told me to dig here !! me and my mate both thought he'd lost the plot and laughed thinking he'd gone senile,but to our surprise at 3ft we uncovered a main drain cover,now I have had a lot of dogs in drains and keep a set of "KEYS" in my van for such occassions,we lifted the covers and there was a main 4ft drain at the bottom that ran 2 mile down to the river fender,my bitch was there with a very dead fox,so without local knowledge we would never of found her,bought the old guy a bottle of whiskey for his trouble and we were both made up,all holes look the same from outside and you never know where they may go to,lost this little plummer pup 16weeks old chasing a rabbit into a land drain,found her baying for help in this little receptor box on the railway,just part of owning a terrier I guess,good luck and stay safe,WM you can see the rabbit in the corner,took half an hour with a bar to prise off the large concrete cover Edited November 9, 2013 by wirral countryman 4 Quote Link to post
yorkshire-kid 44 Posted November 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 Yorkshire kid,we've all been in the situation you describe at some point and in the most unlikely places,I've lost dogs to ground in local parks,golf courses,etc just letting the kids take them for a walk or letting them have a shit,etc,its all part of owning a terrier and not always practical to wear a collar 24hrs a day.I know you said your terrier was'nt off earthdogs but genetics are a funny old thing and they can skip generations to throw a hard worker now and then,so be aware and get a locator ,you sound like you're doing the right things by getting to know the area you hunt and observing all the possible places your terrier may slip into,also knowing your dog,staying focussed on where he is at all times,try not to let him push too far ahead of you when pushing the cover,in the past when I've lost a terrier in this way I've used my stick to locate them,pushing it into the ground and listening to the end till I find them at the loudest point baying,always mark it with a little stick,block up any holes with large rocks etc,but leave a small hole for air at the top,then go get your bar and spades and if possible phone a few mates for help.Even an organised dig can turn to sh*t in the blink of an eye,experience is only gained in the field and none of us are born with the knowledge, it has to be hard earned but you can limit the pitfalls,always keep a first aid kit in your car along with a good torch,spare batteries for locators,torch,locator box,spade,bar and join the fell and moorland in case it gets beyond your limits,if nothing else you will get good advice without critisism about what to try next.I personally hate land drains as they were put in without maps and only old f*ckers with the local knowledge know where they go,I've seen my terrier enter a land drain in a ditch that we had bolted fox after fox for years untill one day we ran a fox out of cover into it,the terrier was right in behind,found that terrier half a mile away in an 8ft down main receptor box,the land drain was about 5ft up the wall,so after dropping into it she then could'nt get back up 5 ft,only found that bitch by asking the farm labourer who was about 90yrs old did he know of any drain covers that had been put in or grown over,he walked out into a ploughed field and told me to dig here !! me and my mate both thought he'd lost the plot and laughed thinking he'd gone senile,but to our surprise at 3ft we uncovered a main drain cover,now I have had a lot of dogs in drains and keep a set of "KEYS" in my van for such occassions,we lifted the covers and there was a main 4ft drain at the bottom that ran 2 mile down to the river fender,my bitch was there with a very dead fox,so without local knowledge we would never of found her,bought the old guy a bottle of whiskey for his trouble and we were both made up,all holes look the same from outside and you never know where they may go to,lost this little plummer pup 16weeks old chasing a rabbit into a land drain,found her baying for help in this little receptor box on the railway,just part of owning a terrier I guess,good luck and stay safe,WM DSCF0289.jpg DSCF0290.jpg you can see the rabbit in the corner,took half an hour with a bar to prise off the large concrete cover DSCF0291.jpg thanks mate for the reply. I have a few mates that would help if I got into bother regarding a dig out. I agree local knowledge is key but the land is forever changing so you never really know what's around the corner. I understand what you mean regarding the genetics of the patt one day he might self enter that was my anitial concern so I will look into a locator for the near future. Thanks again mate! Quote Link to post
colliexgreyhound 119 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Give the patterdale to someone who will give him proper work and get yourself a spainiel its only a matter of time before your dog finds a sett and decides he wants a change from rabbits. I can assure you you won't know every burrow on your permission 1 Quote Link to post
yorkshire-kid 44 Posted November 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 I can tell you now I won't be getting rid of him. He is good at his job and if it means buying a locator no worries. I will just be staying extra vigilant. Quote Link to post
MOLE265 792 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 I can tell you now I won't be getting rid of him. He is good at his job and if it means buying a locator no worries. I will just be staying extra vigilant.. You using a terrier for bushing is just asking for trouble google the meaning of terrier and then go get a spaniel. 1 Quote Link to post
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