Another Tradgedy,

[bracken boy 584]

Oh your so very wrong it not happen around me because i take every saftey issue very correctly geez read all my posts its because dogs are with the wrong person im my view, honestly i read things before they could happen but without knowing me you wouldnt know that, i make mistakes in the field but with safety with dogs fighting i do not so sorry you are wrong.

Edited November 7, 2013 by bracken boy

[WILF 47,542]

Oh your so very wrong it not happen around me because i take every saftey issue very correctly geez read all my posts its because dogs are with the wrong person im my view, honestly i read things before they could happen but without knowing me you wouldnt know that, i make mistakes in the field but with safety with dogs fighting i do not so sorry you are wrong.

As I said I didn't mean to be funny to you matey, but I can only read things how they are written and that's just how it came across.

Atb

[gnasher16 30,439]

Not being funny to you at all matey but this is a classic example of why things go wrong......you don't even seem to entertain the notion that it may go boss eyed with your dog.

Unless you can read canine minds or take out that which nature put in then you can never be certain and to think that you are good enough and know your dog enough to be certain is an accident waiting to happen in my very humble opinion.

 

Totally agree........nature didnt make everything perfect......the minute you overlook that fact and start to think you are more powerful than nature itself you are on dodgy ground.

[bracken boy 584]

Ok wilf, just l know how and [BANNED TEXT] effort i put into my dogs to keep them and others safe.

[kranky 507]

This is an absolute tragedy, this dog should not have been rehomed to this family, end of. I have worked in rehoming centres and most of the dogs in centres are there because of changes to the owners circumstances, not because of behaviour problems, a common one being a relationship split. Not the dogs fault so give them a chance. I have been involved with many dogs that found long term homes, have helped GSD's get in the army when they would have been PTS, a classic one being a dog that the staff were frightened of but I gave him a chance and when the army bloke turned up he said that the dog was exactly what they wanted, confident but not aggressive..................his words not mine. On the other hand I had to PTS my own dog, because many years ago he bit my ex girlfriend on the face so I have no problems at all with aggressive dogs being PTS but the vast majority in centres are your average dog, whose owners let them down, just looking for another chance.

 

A properly run rehoming centre, with highly trained staff is a pleasure to work in and rehomes the right dogs to the right people. Also to PTS all dogs in rescues will not stop dog attacks, the idiots will still get dogs and ruin them, you would just be killing many dogs that have no behaviour problems whatsoever.

 

I will give you an example, a group of beagles that were used in a research environment but were no longer needed.....................would you PTS them......................well I can let you know that they were rehomed, in fact I had one myself and they all, as far as I am aware, adapted to normal live perfectly and mine spent many happy hours in the woods, when she could have gone from living in a metal cage straight to the man upstairs.................this situation is not as simple as some seem to think

 

This dog that bit your ex girlfriend, why did you not give it another chance? If it was aggressive, why was your girlfriends face anywhere near it? Do you not think that you are to blame for this incident for allowing it to happen?

 

You can't claim to be a good judge of dogs and someone that should be able to decide a dogs (and potentially a childs) fate when you've allowed an incident to occur in which someone was bitten. Your dog, your responsibility. Rehoming centres aren't staffed by experts in dog behaviour and are a joke a lot of the time. They are a way of generating income. Why does someone want to pay £100+ for an unwanted dog with no idea of it's history when they can buy a puppy for not much more?

 

Beagles aren't good pets, that's why they have behavioural problems. They should be in a pack and be allowed to hunt. I wouldn't trust one, but you think it's admirable that you rehomed ex research dogs. Dogs that have had limited contact with people or other dogs, have no manners or socialisation and had been subjected to pain/discomfort at the hands of people, in most cases. You've worked in rehoming centres and can't see where you've gone wrong. This is the problem with these centres, people who think that they're experts but who make very poor choices.

[bird 9,970]

 

This is an absolute tragedy, this dog should not have been rehomed to this family, end of. I have worked in rehoming centres and most of the dogs in centres are there because of changes to the owners circumstances, not because of behaviour problems, a common one being a relationship split. Not the dogs fault so give them a chance. I have been involved with many dogs that found long term homes, have helped GSD's get in the army when they would have been PTS, a classic one being a dog that the staff were frightened of but I gave him a chance and when the army bloke turned up he said that the dog was exactly what they wanted, confident but not aggressive..................his words not mine. On the other hand I had to PTS my own dog, because many years ago he bit my ex girlfriend on the face so I have no problems at all with aggressive dogs being PTS but the vast majority in centres are your average dog, whose owners let them down, just looking for another chance.

 

A properly run rehoming centre, with highly trained staff is a pleasure to work in and rehomes the right dogs to the right people. Also to PTS all dogs in rescues will not stop dog attacks, the idiots will still get dogs and ruin them, you would just be killing many dogs that have no behaviour problems whatsoever.

 

I will give you an example, a group of beagles that were used in a research environment but were no longer needed.....................would you PTS them......................well I can let you know that they were rehomed, in fact I had one myself and they all, as far as I am aware, adapted to normal live perfectly and mine spent many happy hours in the woods, when she could have gone from living in a metal cage straight to the man upstairs.................this situation is not as simple as some seem to think

 

This dog that bit your ex girlfriend, why did you not give it another chance? If it was aggressive, why was your girlfriends face anywhere near it? Do you not think that you are to blame for this incident for allowing it to happen?

 

You can't claim to be a good judge of dogs and someone that should be able to decide a dogs (and potentially a childs) fate when you've allowed an incident to occur in which someone was bitten. Your dog, your responsibility. Rehoming centres aren't staffed by experts in dog behaviour and are a joke a lot of the time. They are a way of generating income. Why does someone want to pay £100+ for an unwanted dog with no idea of it's history when they can buy a puppy for not much more?

 

Beagles aren't good pets, that's why they have behavioural problems. They should be in a pack and be allowed to hunt. I wouldn't trust one, but you think it's admirable that you rehomed ex research dogs. Dogs that have had limited contact with people or other dogs, have no manners or socialisation and had been subjected to pain/discomfort at the hands of people, in most cases. You've worked in rehoming centres and can't see where you've gone wrong. This is the problem with these centres, people who think that they're experts but who make very poor choices.

 

good point on the buy a mature dog of unwanted history, when a pup of the same price is would be be better choise. I think some people go for a mature dog option , as easy way of owning a dog, they dont want all the puppy probs you can get when you start out.But by doing that you dont know what you really bringing into your home, more so with kids there . ive always said dogs should live outside kennel+ run and have there (own space) it would stop alot of these dog attacks in the long term, ok some dogs should be put down when nasty, it only takes a min for somthing to go wrong, dogs should be outside

[Huan72 687]

 

This is an absolute tragedy, this dog should not have been rehomed to this family, end of. I have worked in rehoming centres and most of the dogs in centres are there because of changes to the owners circumstances, not because of behaviour problems, a common one being a relationship split. Not the dogs fault so give them a chance. I have been involved with many dogs that found long term homes, have helped GSD's get in the army when they would have been PTS, a classic one being a dog that the staff were frightened of but I gave him a chance and when the army bloke turned up he said that the dog was exactly what they wanted, confident but not aggressive..................his words not mine. On the other hand I had to PTS my own dog, because many years ago he bit my ex girlfriend on the face so I have no problems at all with aggressive dogs being PTS but the vast majority in centres are your average dog, whose owners let them down, just looking for another chance.

 

A properly run rehoming centre, with highly trained staff is a pleasure to work in and rehomes the right dogs to the right people. Also to PTS all dogs in rescues will not stop dog attacks, the idiots will still get dogs and ruin them, you would just be killing many dogs that have no behaviour problems whatsoever.

 

I will give you an example, a group of beagles that were used in a research environment but were no longer needed.....................would you PTS them......................well I can let you know that they were rehomed, in fact I had one myself and they all, as far as I am aware, adapted to normal live perfectly and mine spent many happy hours in the woods, when she could have gone from living in a metal cage straight to the man upstairs.................this situation is not as simple as some seem to think

 

This dog that bit your ex girlfriend, why did you not give it another chance? If it was aggressive, why was your girlfriends face anywhere near it? Do you not think that you are to blame for this incident for allowing it to happen?

 

You can't claim to be a good judge of dogs and someone that should be able to decide a dogs (and potentially a childs) fate when you've allowed an incident to occur in which someone was bitten. Your dog, your responsibility. Rehoming centres aren't staffed by experts in dog behaviour and are a joke a lot of the time. They are a way of generating income. Why does someone want to pay £100+ for an unwanted dog with no idea of it's history when they can buy a puppy for not much more?

 

Beagles aren't good pets, that's why they have behavioural problems. They should be in a pack and be allowed to hunt. I wouldn't trust one, but you think it's admirable that you rehomed ex research dogs. Dogs that have had limited contact with people or other dogs, have no manners or socialisation and had been subjected to pain/discomfort at the hands of people, in most cases. You've worked in rehoming centres and can't see where you've gone wrong. This is the problem with these centres, people who think that they're experts but who make very poor choices.

 

 

 

This is an absolute tragedy, this dog should not have been rehomed to this family, end of. I have worked in rehoming centres and most of the dogs in centres are there because of changes to the owners circumstances, not because of behaviour problems, a common one being a relationship split. Not the dogs fault so give them a chance. I have been involved with many dogs that found long term homes, have helped GSD's get in the army when they would have been PTS, a classic one being a dog that the staff were frightened of but I gave him a chance and when the army bloke turned up he said that the dog was exactly what they wanted, confident but not aggressive..................his words not mine. On the other hand I had to PTS my own dog, because many years ago he bit my ex girlfriend on the face so I have no problems at all with aggressive dogs being PTS but the vast majority in centres are your average dog, whose owners let them down, just looking for another chance.

 

A properly run rehoming centre, with highly trained staff is a pleasure to work in and rehomes the right dogs to the right people. Also to PTS all dogs in rescues will not stop dog attacks, the idiots will still get dogs and ruin them, you would just be killing many dogs that have no behaviour problems whatsoever.

 

I will give you an example, a group of beagles that were used in a research environment but were no longer needed.....................would you PTS them......................well I can let you know that they were rehomed, in fact I had one myself and they all, as far as I am aware, adapted to normal live perfectly and mine spent many happy hours in the woods, when she could have gone from living in a metal cage straight to the man upstairs.................this situation is not as simple as some seem to think

 

This dog that bit your ex girlfriend, why did you not give it another chance? If it was aggressive, why was your girlfriends face anywhere near it? Do you not think that you are to blame for this incident for allowing it to happen?

 

You can't claim to be a good judge of dogs and someone that should be able to decide a dogs (and potentially a childs) fate when you've allowed an incident to occur in which someone was bitten. Your dog, your responsibility. Rehoming centres aren't staffed by experts in dog behaviour and are a joke a lot of the time. They are a way of generating income. Why does someone want to pay £100+ for an unwanted dog with no idea of it's history when they can buy a puppy for not much more?

 

Beagles aren't good pets, that's why they have behavioural problems. They should be in a pack and be allowed to hunt. I wouldn't trust one, but you think it's admirable that you rehomed ex research dogs. Dogs that have had limited contact with people or other dogs, have no manners or socialisation and had been subjected to pain/discomfort at the hands of people, in most cases. You've worked in rehoming centres and can't see where you've gone wrong. This is the problem with these centres, people who think that they're experts but who make very poor choices.

 

 

 

 

This is an absolute tragedy, this dog should not have been rehomed to this family, end of. I have worked in rehoming centres and most of the dogs in centres are there because of changes to the owners circumstances, not because of behaviour problems, a common one being a relationship split. Not the dogs fault so give them a chance. I have been involved with many dogs that found long term homes, have helped GSD's get in the army when they would have been PTS, a classic one being a dog that the staff were frightened of but I gave him a chance and when the army bloke turned up he said that the dog was exactly what they wanted, confident but not aggressive..................his words not mine. On the other hand I had to PTS my own dog, because many years ago he bit my ex girlfriend on the face so I have no problems at all with aggressive dogs being PTS but the vast majority in centres are your average dog, whose owners let them down, just looking for another chance.

 

A properly run rehoming centre, with highly trained staff is a pleasure to work in and rehomes the right dogs to the right people. Also to PTS all dogs in rescues will not stop dog attacks, the idiots will still get dogs and ruin them, you would just be killing many dogs that have no behaviour problems whatsoever.

 

I will give you an example, a group of beagles that were used in a research environment but were no longer needed.....................would you PTS them......................well I can let you know that they were rehomed, in fact I had one myself and they all, as far as I am aware, adapted to normal live perfectly and mine spent many happy hours in the woods, when she could have gone from living in a metal cage straight to the man upstairs.................this situation is not as simple as some seem to think

 

This dog that bit your ex girlfriend, why did you not give it another chance? If it was aggressive, why was your girlfriends face anywhere near it? Do you not think that you are to blame for this incident for allowing it to happen?

 

You can't claim to be a good judge of dogs and someone that should be able to decide a dogs (and potentially a childs) fate when you've allowed an incident to occur in which someone was bitten. Your dog, your responsibility. Rehoming centres aren't staffed by experts in dog behaviour and are a joke a lot of the time. They are a way of generating income. Why does someone want to pay £100+ for an unwanted dog with no idea of it's history when they can buy a puppy for not much more?

 

Beagles aren't good pets, that's why they have behavioural problems. They should be in a pack and be allowed to hunt. I wouldn't trust one, but you think it's admirable that you rehomed ex research dogs. Dogs that have had limited contact with people or other dogs, have no manners or socialisation and had been subjected to pain/discomfort at the hands of people, in most cases. You've worked in rehoming centres and can't see where you've gone wrong. This is the problem with these centres, people who think that they're experts but who make very poor choices.

 

Kranky, I will go through your points one by one. The dog that bit my ex's face did have a history of aggression and it was well known by all around me. He had bitten me before but I could handle him. My ex thought she knew dogs very well and tried to groom him, against my advice. She then made the fatal mistake of kissing him on the head, I tried to scream out no before she did it. That was my mistake and I accept full responsibility, it led to me killing my best friend, something I will never forget.

 

The proof of the pudding is in the eating, the Beagles went on to be fantastic family pets.

 

To say that all those in rehoming centres don't know dogs is flawed i'm afraid, not talking about myself here but you would be very surprised at some that work in centres, will not talk specifics, but I once knew an excellent lurcher man who did, I believe he is a dog behaviourst now. He was excellent with dogs.

[kranky 507]

 

 

This is an absolute tragedy, this dog should not have been rehomed to this family, end of. I have worked in rehoming centres and most of the dogs in centres are there because of changes to the owners circumstances, not because of behaviour problems, a common one being a relationship split. Not the dogs fault so give them a chance. I have been involved with many dogs that found long term homes, have helped GSD's get in the army when they would have been PTS, a classic one being a dog that the staff were frightened of but I gave him a chance and when the army bloke turned up he said that the dog was exactly what they wanted, confident but not aggressive..................his words not mine. On the other hand I had to PTS my own dog, because many years ago he bit my ex girlfriend on the face so I have no problems at all with aggressive dogs being PTS but the vast majority in centres are your average dog, whose owners let them down, just looking for another chance.

 

A properly run rehoming centre, with highly trained staff is a pleasure to work in and rehomes the right dogs to the right people. Also to PTS all dogs in rescues will not stop dog attacks, the idiots will still get dogs and ruin them, you would just be killing many dogs that have no behaviour problems whatsoever.

 

I will give you an example, a group of beagles that were used in a research environment but were no longer needed.....................would you PTS them......................well I can let you know that they were rehomed, in fact I had one myself and they all, as far as I am aware, adapted to normal live perfectly and mine spent many happy hours in the woods, when she could have gone from living in a metal cage straight to the man upstairs.................this situation is not as simple as some seem to think

 

This dog that bit your ex girlfriend, why did you not give it another chance? If it was aggressive, why was your girlfriends face anywhere near it? Do you not think that you are to blame for this incident for allowing it to happen?

 

You can't claim to be a good judge of dogs and someone that should be able to decide a dogs (and potentially a childs) fate when you've allowed an incident to occur in which someone was bitten. Your dog, your responsibility. Rehoming centres aren't staffed by experts in dog behaviour and are a joke a lot of the time. They are a way of generating income. Why does someone want to pay £100+ for an unwanted dog with no idea of it's history when they can buy a puppy for not much more?

 

Beagles aren't good pets, that's why they have behavioural problems. They should be in a pack and be allowed to hunt. I wouldn't trust one, but you think it's admirable that you rehomed ex research dogs. Dogs that have had limited contact with people or other dogs, have no manners or socialisation and had been subjected to pain/discomfort at the hands of people, in most cases. You've worked in rehoming centres and can't see where you've gone wrong. This is the problem with these centres, people who think that they're experts but who make very poor choices.

 

 

 

This is an absolute tragedy, this dog should not have been rehomed to this family, end of. I have worked in rehoming centres and most of the dogs in centres are there because of changes to the owners circumstances, not because of behaviour problems, a common one being a relationship split. Not the dogs fault so give them a chance. I have been involved with many dogs that found long term homes, have helped GSD's get in the army when they would have been PTS, a classic one being a dog that the staff were frightened of but I gave him a chance and when the army bloke turned up he said that the dog was exactly what they wanted, confident but not aggressive..................his words not mine. On the other hand I had to PTS my own dog, because many years ago he bit my ex girlfriend on the face so I have no problems at all with aggressive dogs being PTS but the vast majority in centres are your average dog, whose owners let them down, just looking for another chance.

 

A properly run rehoming centre, with highly trained staff is a pleasure to work in and rehomes the right dogs to the right people. Also to PTS all dogs in rescues will not stop dog attacks, the idiots will still get dogs and ruin them, you would just be killing many dogs that have no behaviour problems whatsoever.

 

I will give you an example, a group of beagles that were used in a research environment but were no longer needed.....................would you PTS them......................well I can let you know that they were rehomed, in fact I had one myself and they all, as far as I am aware, adapted to normal live perfectly and mine spent many happy hours in the woods, when she could have gone from living in a metal cage straight to the man upstairs.................this situation is not as simple as some seem to think

 

This dog that bit your ex girlfriend, why did you not give it another chance? If it was aggressive, why was your girlfriends face anywhere near it? Do you not think that you are to blame for this incident for allowing it to happen?

 

You can't claim to be a good judge of dogs and someone that should be able to decide a dogs (and potentially a childs) fate when you've allowed an incident to occur in which someone was bitten. Your dog, your responsibility. Rehoming centres aren't staffed by experts in dog behaviour and are a joke a lot of the time. They are a way of generating income. Why does someone want to pay £100+ for an unwanted dog with no idea of it's history when they can buy a puppy for not much more?

 

Beagles aren't good pets, that's why they have behavioural problems. They should be in a pack and be allowed to hunt. I wouldn't trust one, but you think it's admirable that you rehomed ex research dogs. Dogs that have had limited contact with people or other dogs, have no manners or socialisation and had been subjected to pain/discomfort at the hands of people, in most cases. You've worked in rehoming centres and can't see where you've gone wrong. This is the problem with these centres, people who think that they're experts but who make very poor choices.

 

 

 

 

This is an absolute tragedy, this dog should not have been rehomed to this family, end of. I have worked in rehoming centres and most of the dogs in centres are there because of changes to the owners circumstances, not because of behaviour problems, a common one being a relationship split. Not the dogs fault so give them a chance. I have been involved with many dogs that found long term homes, have helped GSD's get in the army when they would have been PTS, a classic one being a dog that the staff were frightened of but I gave him a chance and when the army bloke turned up he said that the dog was exactly what they wanted, confident but not aggressive..................his words not mine. On the other hand I had to PTS my own dog, because many years ago he bit my ex girlfriend on the face so I have no problems at all with aggressive dogs being PTS but the vast majority in centres are your average dog, whose owners let them down, just looking for another chance.

 

A properly run rehoming centre, with highly trained staff is a pleasure to work in and rehomes the right dogs to the right people. Also to PTS all dogs in rescues will not stop dog attacks, the idiots will still get dogs and ruin them, you would just be killing many dogs that have no behaviour problems whatsoever.

 

I will give you an example, a group of beagles that were used in a research environment but were no longer needed.....................would you PTS them......................well I can let you know that they were rehomed, in fact I had one myself and they all, as far as I am aware, adapted to normal live perfectly and mine spent many happy hours in the woods, when she could have gone from living in a metal cage straight to the man upstairs.................this situation is not as simple as some seem to think

 

This dog that bit your ex girlfriend, why did you not give it another chance? If it was aggressive, why was your girlfriends face anywhere near it? Do you not think that you are to blame for this incident for allowing it to happen?

 

You can't claim to be a good judge of dogs and someone that should be able to decide a dogs (and potentially a childs) fate when you've allowed an incident to occur in which someone was bitten. Your dog, your responsibility. Rehoming centres aren't staffed by experts in dog behaviour and are a joke a lot of the time. They are a way of generating income. Why does someone want to pay £100+ for an unwanted dog with no idea of it's history when they can buy a puppy for not much more?

 

Beagles aren't good pets, that's why they have behavioural problems. They should be in a pack and be allowed to hunt. I wouldn't trust one, but you think it's admirable that you rehomed ex research dogs. Dogs that have had limited contact with people or other dogs, have no manners or socialisation and had been subjected to pain/discomfort at the hands of people, in most cases. You've worked in rehoming centres and can't see where you've gone wrong. This is the problem with these centres, people who think that they're experts but who make very poor choices.

 

Kranky, I will go through your points one by one. The dog that bit my ex's face did have a history of aggression and it was well known by all around me. He had bitten me before but I could handle him. My ex thought she knew dogs very well and tried to groom him, against my advice. She then made the fatal mistake of kissing him on the head, I tried to scream out no before she did it. That was my mistake and I accept full responsibility, it led to me killing my best friend, something I will never forget.

 

The proof of the pudding is in the eating, the Beagles went on to be fantastic family pets.

 

To say that all those in rehoming centres don't know dogs is flawed i'm afraid, not talking about myself here but you would be very surprised at some that work in centres, will not talk specifics, but I once knew an excellent lurcher man who did, I believe he is a dog behaviourst now. He was excellent with dogs.

 

 

Well done for accepting responsibility for the dog attack and the fact that you allowed a dangerous dog to be around unsuspecting or naïve people. There are plenty of people like your ex who work at shelters and believe that they know dogs, these people make judgements on dogs suitability for rehoming.

 

Beagles don't make excellent pets, even those bought as such. It's a life which doesn't suit them. hence their destructive ways and predisposition to roam.

 

There are probably some good staff at some rehoming centres but on the whole they are like your ex. People with no formal qualifications or experience who decide the fate of children because they think they know dogs.

[Huan72 687]

 

 

 

This is an absolute tragedy, this dog should not have been rehomed to this family, end of. I have worked in rehoming centres and most of the dogs in centres are there because of changes to the owners circumstances, not because of behaviour problems, a common one being a relationship split. Not the dogs fault so give them a chance. I have been involved with many dogs that found long term homes, have helped GSD's get in the army when they would have been PTS, a classic one being a dog that the staff were frightened of but I gave him a chance and when the army bloke turned up he said that the dog was exactly what they wanted, confident but not aggressive..................his words not mine. On the other hand I had to PTS my own dog, because many years ago he bit my ex girlfriend on the face so I have no problems at all with aggressive dogs being PTS but the vast majority in centres are your average dog, whose owners let them down, just looking for another chance.

 

A properly run rehoming centre, with highly trained staff is a pleasure to work in and rehomes the right dogs to the right people. Also to PTS all dogs in rescues will not stop dog attacks, the idiots will still get dogs and ruin them, you would just be killing many dogs that have no behaviour problems whatsoever.

 

I will give you an example, a group of beagles that were used in a research environment but were no longer needed.....................would you PTS them......................well I can let you know that they were rehomed, in fact I had one myself and they all, as far as I am aware, adapted to normal live perfectly and mine spent many happy hours in the woods, when she could have gone from living in a metal cage straight to the man upstairs.................this situation is not as simple as some seem to think

 

This dog that bit your ex girlfriend, why did you not give it another chance? If it was aggressive, why was your girlfriends face anywhere near it? Do you not think that you are to blame for this incident for allowing it to happen?

 

You can't claim to be a good judge of dogs and someone that should be able to decide a dogs (and potentially a childs) fate when you've allowed an incident to occur in which someone was bitten. Your dog, your responsibility. Rehoming centres aren't staffed by experts in dog behaviour and are a joke a lot of the time. They are a way of generating income. Why does someone want to pay £100+ for an unwanted dog with no idea of it's history when they can buy a puppy for not much more?

 

Beagles aren't good pets, that's why they have behavioural problems. They should be in a pack and be allowed to hunt. I wouldn't trust one, but you think it's admirable that you rehomed ex research dogs. Dogs that have had limited contact with people or other dogs, have no manners or socialisation and had been subjected to pain/discomfort at the hands of people, in most cases. You've worked in rehoming centres and can't see where you've gone wrong. This is the problem with these centres, people who think that they're experts but who make very poor choices.

 

 

 

This is an absolute tragedy, this dog should not have been rehomed to this family, end of. I have worked in rehoming centres and most of the dogs in centres are there because of changes to the owners circumstances, not because of behaviour problems, a common one being a relationship split. Not the dogs fault so give them a chance. I have been involved with many dogs that found long term homes, have helped GSD's get in the army when they would have been PTS, a classic one being a dog that the staff were frightened of but I gave him a chance and when the army bloke turned up he said that the dog was exactly what they wanted, confident but not aggressive..................his words not mine. On the other hand I had to PTS my own dog, because many years ago he bit my ex girlfriend on the face so I have no problems at all with aggressive dogs being PTS but the vast majority in centres are your average dog, whose owners let them down, just looking for another chance.

 

A properly run rehoming centre, with highly trained staff is a pleasure to work in and rehomes the right dogs to the right people. Also to PTS all dogs in rescues will not stop dog attacks, the idiots will still get dogs and ruin them, you would just be killing many dogs that have no behaviour problems whatsoever.

 

I will give you an example, a group of beagles that were used in a research environment but were no longer needed.....................would you PTS them......................well I can let you know that they were rehomed, in fact I had one myself and they all, as far as I am aware, adapted to normal live perfectly and mine spent many happy hours in the woods, when she could have gone from living in a metal cage straight to the man upstairs.................this situation is not as simple as some seem to think

 

This dog that bit your ex girlfriend, why did you not give it another chance? If it was aggressive, why was your girlfriends face anywhere near it? Do you not think that you are to blame for this incident for allowing it to happen?

 

You can't claim to be a good judge of dogs and someone that should be able to decide a dogs (and potentially a childs) fate when you've allowed an incident to occur in which someone was bitten. Your dog, your responsibility. Rehoming centres aren't staffed by experts in dog behaviour and are a joke a lot of the time. They are a way of generating income. Why does someone want to pay £100+ for an unwanted dog with no idea of it's history when they can buy a puppy for not much more?

 

Beagles aren't good pets, that's why they have behavioural problems. They should be in a pack and be allowed to hunt. I wouldn't trust one, but you think it's admirable that you rehomed ex research dogs. Dogs that have had limited contact with people or other dogs, have no manners or socialisation and had been subjected to pain/discomfort at the hands of people, in most cases. You've worked in rehoming centres and can't see where you've gone wrong. This is the problem with these centres, people who think that they're experts but who make very poor choices.

 

 

 

 

This is an absolute tragedy, this dog should not have been rehomed to this family, end of. I have worked in rehoming centres and most of the dogs in centres are there because of changes to the owners circumstances, not because of behaviour problems, a common one being a relationship split. Not the dogs fault so give them a chance. I have been involved with many dogs that found long term homes, have helped GSD's get in the army when they would have been PTS, a classic one being a dog that the staff were frightened of but I gave him a chance and when the army bloke turned up he said that the dog was exactly what they wanted, confident but not aggressive..................his words not mine. On the other hand I had to PTS my own dog, because many years ago he bit my ex girlfriend on the face so I have no problems at all with aggressive dogs being PTS but the vast majority in centres are your average dog, whose owners let them down, just looking for another chance.

 

A properly run rehoming centre, with highly trained staff is a pleasure to work in and rehomes the right dogs to the right people. Also to PTS all dogs in rescues will not stop dog attacks, the idiots will still get dogs and ruin them, you would just be killing many dogs that have no behaviour problems whatsoever.

 

I will give you an example, a group of beagles that were used in a research environment but were no longer needed.....................would you PTS them......................well I can let you know that they were rehomed, in fact I had one myself and they all, as far as I am aware, adapted to normal live perfectly and mine spent many happy hours in the woods, when she could have gone from living in a metal cage straight to the man upstairs.................this situation is not as simple as some seem to think

 

This dog that bit your ex girlfriend, why did you not give it another chance? If it was aggressive, why was your girlfriends face anywhere near it? Do you not think that you are to blame for this incident for allowing it to happen?

 

You can't claim to be a good judge of dogs and someone that should be able to decide a dogs (and potentially a childs) fate when you've allowed an incident to occur in which someone was bitten. Your dog, your responsibility. Rehoming centres aren't staffed by experts in dog behaviour and are a joke a lot of the time. They are a way of generating income. Why does someone want to pay £100+ for an unwanted dog with no idea of it's history when they can buy a puppy for not much more?

 

Beagles aren't good pets, that's why they have behavioural problems. They should be in a pack and be allowed to hunt. I wouldn't trust one, but you think it's admirable that you rehomed ex research dogs. Dogs that have had limited contact with people or other dogs, have no manners or socialisation and had been subjected to pain/discomfort at the hands of people, in most cases. You've worked in rehoming centres and can't see where you've gone wrong. This is the problem with these centres, people who think that they're experts but who make very poor choices.

 

Kranky, I will go through your points one by one. The dog that bit my ex's face did have a history of aggression and it was well known by all around me. He had bitten me before but I could handle him. My ex thought she knew dogs very well and tried to groom him, against my advice. She then made the fatal mistake of kissing him on the head, I tried to scream out no before she did it. That was my mistake and I accept full responsibility, it led to me killing my best friend, something I will never forget.

 

The proof of the pudding is in the eating, the Beagles went on to be fantastic family pets.

 

To say that all those in rehoming centres don't know dogs is flawed i'm afraid, not talking about myself here but you would be very surprised at some that work in centres, will not talk specifics, but I once knew an excellent lurcher man who did, I believe he is a dog behaviourst now. He was excellent with dogs.

 

 

Well done for accepting responsibility for the dog attack and the fact that you allowed a dangerous dog to be around unsuspecting or naïve people. There are plenty of people like your ex who work at shelters and believe that they know dogs, these people make judgements on dogs suitability for rehoming.

 

Beagles don't make excellent pets, even those bought as such. It's a life which doesn't suit them. hence their destructive ways and predisposition to roam.

 

There are probably some good staff at some rehoming centres but on the whole they are like your ex. People with no formal qualifications or experience who decide the fate of children because they think they know dogs.

 

Kranky you have misread and misquoted me, I said that all around me knew of my dogs history of aggression and my ex was far from naïve, she made an error, a mistake and if your around dogs long enough you will make the odd mistake.

 

You say that beagles don't make good pets, a big generalisation and i'm sure the books probably say the same, but I have seen beagles that have been excellent pets.

 

I was also referring to well run centres, with a thorough rehoming policy and well trained staff. As in every line of work the quality of staff is bound to vary, but those not cut out for it, will not last long in a well run centre.

 

You are very sure that most rehoming centre staff are pretty much clueless regarding dogs so may I ask if you have ever worked in the environment?

[kranky 507]

Kranky you have misread and misquoted me, I said that all around me knew of my dogs history of aggression and my ex was far from naïve, she made an error, a mistake and if your around dogs long enough you will make the odd mistake.

 

You say that beagles don't make good pets, a big generalisation and i'm sure the books probably say the same, but I have seen beagles that have been excellent pets.

 

I was also referring to well run centres, with a thorough rehoming policy and well trained staff. As in every line of work the quality of staff is bound to vary, but those not cut out for it, will not last long in a well run centre.

 

You are very sure that most rehoming centre staff are pretty much clueless regarding dogs so may I ask if you have ever worked in the environment?

I haven't misread or misquoted, you said your ex thought she knew dogs, inferring that she didn't. You have said that she groomed the dog against your advice. You have said your dog was known to be aggressive. You said that you've assessed dogs for rehoming, like the GSD for the army.

 

So my points are this, your ex was naive to even groom the dog, let alone to kiss it, it wasn't a mistake, it was stupidity.

You allowed her to groom the dog. You shouldn't have advised her not to, you should have prevented it. You caused that dogs death because of your poor judgement and your failure to protect people from it.

 

If you believe that Beagles make good pets as a general rule and that dogs from a research environment should be rehomed then I would say that's another example of your poor judgement.

 

How long did you last in a rehoming centre? I would say that your poor judgement would not make you suitable and as you've stated, you wouldn't last long in a well run centre. Or did you work in one that wasn't well run?

 

I've never worked in a rehoming centre and never would. Unwanted dogs should receive a forever home, in a hole in the ground.

 

You haven't demonstrated to me any reason why I should trust your judgement. You would assess a dog that is in the rehoming centre for a short period and make a judgement of the dogs suitability for rehoming, yet you couldn't prevent your own aggressive dog from biting a family member.

[Huan72 687]

 

Kranky you have misread and misquoted me, I said that all around me knew of my dogs history of aggression and my ex was far from naïve, she made an error, a mistake and if your around dogs long enough you will make the odd mistake.

 

You say that beagles don't make good pets, a big generalisation and i'm sure the books probably say the same, but I have seen beagles that have been excellent pets.

 

I was also referring to well run centres, with a thorough rehoming policy and well trained staff. As in every line of work the quality of staff is bound to vary, but those not cut out for it, will not last long in a well run centre.

 

You are very sure that most rehoming centre staff are pretty much clueless regarding dogs so may I ask if you have ever worked in the environment?

I haven't misread or misquoted, you said your ex thought she knew dogs, inferring that she didn't. You have said that she groomed the dog against your advice. You have said your dog was known to be aggressive. You said that you've assessed dogs for rehoming, like the GSD for the army.

 

So my points are this, your ex was naive to even groom the dog, let alone to kiss it, it wasn't a mistake, it was stupidity.

You allowed her to groom the dog. You shouldn't have advised her not to, you should have prevented it. You caused that dogs death because of your poor judgement and your failure to protect people from it.

 

If you believe that Beagles make good pets as a general rule and that dogs from a research environment should be rehomed then I would say that's another example of your poor judgement.

 

How long did you last in a rehoming centre? I would say that your poor judgement would not make you suitable and as you've stated, you wouldn't last long in a well run centre. Or did you work in one that wasn't well run?

 

I've never worked in a rehoming centre and never would. Unwanted dogs should receive a forever home, in a hole in the ground.

 

You haven't demonstrated to me any reason why I should trust your judgement. You would assess a dog that is in the rehoming centre for a short period and make a judgement of the dogs suitability for rehoming, yet you couldn't prevent your own aggressive dog from biting a family member.

 

Kranky, you have stated that most of those working in rehoming centres don't know dogs but you have never worked in one, so in reality you have not got a clue about the experience or qualifications that one, some, many or all of those people have. You seem to forget the fact that the beagles from the research environment made fantastic family pets, that's not theoretical knowledge, that's a fact.

 

The dog I had would never have been rehomed to any one that came in to the centre, he was too unpredictable. As with regards to my experience suitability etc, well what can I say, out of all the dogs that have I ever rehomed, as far as I am aware not one has bitten anyone. Yes, mine did due to mistakes, mine and my ex's, I have already accepted that fact. I should have stopped her, end of, but I didn't, has nothing to do with rehoming, but everything to do with the interaction of a relationship. If you feel that every unwanted dog should be dead then that's the way you feel, but I have seen enough dogs find excellent and permanent homes to know that most dogs can be rehomed.

 

As I said everything that I have written comes from first hand experience, not theoretical meanderings and sound bites designed to win a debate. You keep your pride, I'll keep working with dogs and as for you trusting or not trusting my judgement, well that's just something that i'm gonna have to live with.

[bracken boy 584]

Huan72 you made a mistake and its in the past over, you carry on working your dogs no bother, as for all dogs in centers going in a hole well really dont think thats the action needed, tighter release into homes is the key, this is the hunting life site of which mistakes dont happen lol. My brindle rescue has been a joy to own and into his 11 th year he still give me fun and laughs.

[Huan72 687]

Huan72 you made a mistake and its in the past over, you carry on working your dogs no bother, as for all dogs in centers going in a hole well really dont think thats the action needed, tighter release into homes is the key, this is the hunting life site of which mistakes dont happen lol. My brindle rescue has been a joy to own and into his 11 th year he still give me fun and laughs.

A long time in the past, am getting old now Thanks Bracken Boy.