English History

[Born Hunter 17,820]

I don't get how it's any different to learning about any other culture though, so why censor any and all teaching of specifically islamic culture? Surely due to our political, economic and defence interests in the middle east and other islamic states it makes sense to give kids at least a little understanding of their culture? Likewise I would say with Indian culture, which would only be of advantage in a future highly competitive and profitable Indian trade market.

 

For instance in terms of defence at least the British are known for being 'in touch' with the native population of a war zone and as a result are more accepted than our american allies that have a far more ignorant and bussiness like attitude.

 

Understanding other cultures and loosing our own are NOT part of the same parcel.

Edited November 5, 2013 by Born Hunter

[gonetoearth 5,144]

Well

even over here in northern Ireland theres a struggle going on to stay within Britain, all you get is you cant do that you cant do this now a days, even the marching season is being deemed as criminal . (personally I don't watch the bands) but thres only so much people will take as change before they take it to the streets. everywhere over the world and home britishness is being chipped away and our wanker$ in parliament is letting it happen. theres flag protests over here too arguing over the union and tricolour being taken down and flown. if it was me in power id say right take both down and stick up the northern flag as its the flag of our own country which is now deemed as sectarianism. FCUKING DISGRACE. theres a big part of English history to do with over here

. After watching the program about the battle of the atlantic and the part london derry played. The city should have got the vc in my opinion.

[BIG G wheton machine 1,594]

Well

even over here in northern Ireland theres a struggle going on to stay within Britain, all you get is you cant do that you cant do this now a days, even the marching season is being deemed as criminal . (personally I don't watch the bands) but thres only so much people will take as change before they take it to the streets. everywhere over the world and home britishness is being chipped away and our wanker$ in parliament is letting it happen. theres flag protests over here too arguing over the union and tricolour being taken down and flown. if it was me in power id say right take both down and stick up the northern flag as its the flag of our own country which is now deemed as sectarianism. FCUKING DISGRACE. theres a big part of English history to do with over here

. After watching the program about the battle of the atlantic and the part london derry played. The city should have got the vc in my opinion.

 

very true my own granny still remembers the blitz of Belfast when the Nazis blew up the place. she wasn't fortunate enough to be evacuated so they jst tried pot luck and they survived where many didn't. and she only lives a few hundred yards from h&w and shorts bros. the London derry name even offends people, even to th extent that from Belfast to London derry somebody has sprayed out the name London lol on the road signs

[Wildling 520]

thought thats when yous strung up poor Saddam to get your hands on his oil

 

You Irish are a backwards bunch, how else do you think we could afford to give you Potato-Heads that big old bail out.....................

 

Come on be truthful you lot wish you were still in the club with the Queen as your head of state ????????

[neems 2,406]

At the risk of upsetting you lot,

 

Can anybody actually tell us what is on a typical school history syllabus? Because I'll hazard a guess it's not fecking Diwaly, that's usually part of religious studies.

 

Yes we should learn more about our own history to encourage pride in our nation but lets not let a strong sense of nationalism impinge on learning about other cultures and world history. We don't just learn history to sit here all proud to be British, it's important to understand other cultures and their history for political and economic reasons.

The vast majority of kids will never use the knowledge of other cultures (as well as 90% of the obscure crap they learn at school),we should save his sort of thing for higher education for those who have an aptitude for properly understanding and intention to use it.

 

No point in teaching it to kids,other than to try condition them into accepting multicult as adults.

[Guest norseman]

 

Well

even over here in northern Ireland theres a struggle going on to stay within Britain, all you get is you cant do that you cant do this now a days, even the marching season is being deemed as criminal . (personally I don't watch the bands) but thres only so much people will take as change before they take it to the streets. everywhere over the world and home britishness is being chipped away and our wanker$ in parliament is letting it happen. theres flag protests over here too arguing over the union and tricolour being taken down and flown. if it was me in power id say right take both down and stick up the northern flag as its the flag of our own country which is now deemed as sectarianism. FCUKING DISGRACE. theres a big part of English history to do with over here

. After watching the program about the battle of the atlantic and the part london derry played. The city should have got the vc in my opinion.

 

very true my own granny still remembers the blitz of Belfast when the Nazis blew up the place. she wasn't fortunate enough to be evacuated so they jst tried pot luck and they survived where many didn't. and she only lives a few hundred yards from h&w and shorts bros. the London derry name even offends people, even to th extent that from Belfast to London derry somebody has sprayed out the name London lol on the road signs

 

that's not really people getting offended. nationalists refer to it as derry mainly as it is derived from the irish word doire meaning oakland or oakgrove. but you know the old argument there and f**k going down that road too much blood spilt in this wee country.

[steve66 3,582]

English History seems to be something we should be ashamed of and some of it isn't even taught in schools any more, but Google have taken the biscuit with this PC nonsense today.

 

Google.co.uk (i.e the UK version) has a picture on it's search page each day about some "famous" event. Today is 5th November, and I would have thought the Gunpowder Plot planning to destroy the Houses of Parliament and kill the King would be pretty famous, or infamous, but they don't have anything about it.

 

Apparently it would be Raymond Loewy's 120th Birthday today. Whoever the f**k he is.

Should imagine at that age he some old geeezer

 

joking aside , we should be remembering those that gave there lives in war for this country not just the famous

[BIG G wheton machine 1,594]

 

 

Well

even over here in northern Ireland theres a struggle going on to stay within Britain, all you get is you cant do that you cant do this now a days, even the marching season is being deemed as criminal . (personally I don't watch the bands) but thres only so much people will take as change before they take it to the streets. everywhere over the world and home britishness is being chipped away and our wanker$ in parliament is letting it happen. theres flag protests over here too arguing over the union and tricolour being taken down and flown. if it was me in power id say right take both down and stick up the northern flag as its the flag of our own country which is now deemed as sectarianism. FCUKING DISGRACE. theres a big part of English history to do with over here

. After watching the program about the battle of the atlantic and the part london derry played. The city should have got the vc in my opinion.

 

very true my own granny still remembers the blitz of Belfast when the Nazis blew up the place. she wasn't fortunate enough to be evacuated so they jst tried pot luck and they survived where many didn't. and she only lives a few hundred yards from h&w and shorts bros. the London derry name even offends people, even to th extent that from Belfast to London derry somebody has sprayed out the name London lol on the road signs

 

that's not really people getting offended. nationalists refer to it as derry mainly as it is derived from the irish word doire meaning oakland or oakgrove. but you know the old argument there and f**k going down that road too much blood spilt in this wee country.

 

that's very true. the truth is nobody won over here the fact is everybody lost or suffered, its a better place to live these days with the peace. im sure the vast majority thinks the same

[foxtails 272]

Spot of English history here id not thought of......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78av3gjYZIc&feature=player_detailpage

everything he said was absolutly spot on, i really hope over the next few years his party become noticed for what he is and what hes trying to achive. i recon most of britain would vote for him

[Guest norseman]

 

 

 

Well

even over here in northern Ireland theres a struggle going on to stay within Britain, all you get is you cant do that you cant do this now a days, even the marching season is being deemed as criminal . (personally I don't watch the bands) but thres only so much people will take as change before they take it to the streets. everywhere over the world and home britishness is being chipped away and our wanker$ in parliament is letting it happen. theres flag protests over here too arguing over the union and tricolour being taken down and flown. if it was me in power id say right take both down and stick up the northern flag as its the flag of our own country which is now deemed as sectarianism. FCUKING DISGRACE. theres a big part of English history to do with over here

. After watching the program about the battle of the atlantic and the part london derry played. The city should have got the vc in my opinion.

 

very true my own granny still remembers the blitz of Belfast when the Nazis blew up the place. she wasn't fortunate enough to be evacuated so they jst tried pot luck and they survived where many didn't. and she only lives a few hundred yards from h&w and shorts bros. the London derry name even offends people, even to th extent that from Belfast to London derry somebody has sprayed out the name London lol on the road signs

 

that's not really people getting offended. nationalists refer to it as derry mainly as it is derived from the irish word doire meaning oakland or oakgrove. but you know the old argument there and f**k going down that road too much blood spilt in this wee country.

 

that's very true. the truth is nobody won over here the fact is everybody lost or suffered, its a better place to live these days with the peace. im sure the vast majority thinks the same

 

aye was a pity it happened. but as you say this place played key parts in the war (ww2 I mean lol) the more I learn about it the more im amazed. its steeped in history here. they sank u boats out the foyle river too.

[BIG G wheton machine 1,594]

 

 

 

 

Well

even over here in northern Ireland theres a struggle going on to stay within Britain, all you get is you cant do that you cant do this now a days, even the marching season is being deemed as criminal . (personally I don't watch the bands) but thres only so much people will take as change before they take it to the streets. everywhere over the world and home britishness is being chipped away and our wanker$ in parliament is letting it happen. theres flag protests over here too arguing over the union and tricolour being taken down and flown. if it was me in power id say right take both down and stick up the northern flag as its the flag of our own country which is now deemed as sectarianism. FCUKING DISGRACE. theres a big part of English history to do with over here

. After watching the program about the battle of the atlantic and the part london derry played. The city should have got the vc in my opinion.

 

very true my own granny still remembers the blitz of Belfast when the Nazis blew up the place. she wasn't fortunate enough to be evacuated so they jst tried pot luck and they survived where many didn't. and she only lives a few hundred yards from h&w and shorts bros. the London derry name even offends people, even to th extent that from Belfast to London derry somebody has sprayed out the name London lol on the road signs

 

that's not really people getting offended. nationalists refer to it as derry mainly as it is derived from the irish word doire meaning oakland or oakgrove. but you know the old argument there and f**k going down that road too much blood spilt in this wee country.

 

that's very true. the truth is nobody won over here the fact is everybody lost or suffered, its a better place to live these days with the peace. im sure the vast majority thinks the same

 

aye was a pity it happened. but as you say this place played key parts in the war (ww2 I mean lol) the more I learn about it the more im amazed. its steeped in history here. they sank u boats out the foyle river too.

 

anno mate saw that on ww2 digs with dan snow, see the wrecks from boats too and the size of some of the fish hanging around them, good sport to be had up the north coast

[Born Hunter 17,820]

 

At the risk of upsetting you lot,

 

Can anybody actually tell us what is on a typical school history syllabus? Because I'll hazard a guess it's not fecking Diwaly, that's usually part of religious studies.

 

Yes we should learn more about our own history to encourage pride in our nation but lets not let a strong sense of nationalism impinge on learning about other cultures and world history. We don't just learn history to sit here all proud to be British, it's important to understand other cultures and their history for political and economic reasons.

The vast majority of kids will never use the knowledge of other cultures (as well as 90% of the obscure crap they learn at school),we should save his sort of thing for higher education for those who have an aptitude for properly understanding and intention to use it.

 

No point in teaching it to kids,other than to try condition them into accepting multicult as adults.

 

 

That's nonesence, have you solved a quadratic equation since high school? Have you worked out the force of gravity acting on a given mass since high school? So maths and physics is pointless at high school level then in your opinion? A small amount of what is taught at school is taken to the real world and becomes of use to most people, what it does do is make people aware of many different things and that imo is important for all the reasons I have given.

[neems 2,406]

 

 

At the risk of upsetting you lot,

 

Can anybody actually tell us what is on a typical school history syllabus? Because I'll hazard a guess it's not fecking Diwaly, that's usually part of religious studies.

 

Yes we should learn more about our own history to encourage pride in our nation but lets not let a strong sense of nationalism impinge on learning about other cultures and world history. We don't just learn history to sit here all proud to be British, it's important to understand other cultures and their history for political and economic reasons.

 

The vast majority of kids will never use the knowledge of other cultures (as well as 90% of the obscure crap they learn at school),we should save his sort of thing for higher education for those who have an aptitude for properly understanding and intention to use it.

No point in teaching it to kids,other than to try condition them into accepting multicult as adults.

That's nonesence, have you solved a quadratic equation since high school? Have you worked out the force of gravity acting on a given mass since high school? So maths and physics is pointless at high school level then in your opinion? A small amount of what is taught at school is taken to the real world and becomes of use to most people, what it does do is make people aware of many different things and that imo is important for all the reasons I have given.

No I havent used most of what I learned in secondary school,it was a waste of time learning most of the subjects in depth when I obviously wasn't going to pursue them later on (and probably wouldn't have had the aptitude to even if I wanted to).

 

That time would have been better spent learning something vocational.

[Blackbriar 8,569]

I left school 34 years ago, and I've had to work out the area of a circle.................................once.

The height of an object using Pythagorus' theorum..............................................................never.

The missing angle of a triangle.............................................................................................never.

The combined speed of 2 passing trains...............................................................................never.

The speed of a falling object 6 secs after being dropped......................................................never.

 

But I've had discussions and answered questions on 'University Challenge' and ' The Chase' about the Battle of Trafalgar, English monarchs, British Prime ministers, both World Wars,the English Civil War, modern social history and many other significant historical events............................loads of times !!

Edited November 5, 2013 by Blackbriar

[gonetoearth 5,144]

 

 

Well

 

even over here in northern Ireland theres a struggle going on to stay within Britain, all you get is you cant do that you cant do this now a days, even the marching season is being deemed as criminal . (personally I don't watch the bands) but thres only so much people will take as change before they take it to the streets. everywhere over the world and home britishness is being chipped away and our wanker$ in parliament is letting it happen. theres flag protests over here too arguing over the union and tricolour being taken down and flown. if it was me in power id say right take both down and stick up the northern flag as its the flag of our own country which is now deemed as sectarianism. FCUKING DISGRACE. theres a big part of English history to do with over here

 

. After watching the program about the battle of the atlantic and the part london derry played. The city should have got the vc in my opinion.

very true my own granny still remembers the blitz of Belfast when the Nazis blew up the place. she wasn't fortunate enough to be evacuated so they jst tried pot luck and they survived where many didn't. and she only lives a few hundred yards from h&w and shorts bros. the London derry name even offends people, even to th extent that from Belfast to London derry somebody has sprayed out the name London lol on the road signs

that's not really people getting offended. nationalists refer to it as derry mainly as it is derived from the irish word doire meaning oakland or oakgrove. but you know the old argument there and f**k going down that road too much blood spilt in this wee country.

. I would not even try to argue either way , my opinion is you should be proud of that era and the part the people of that city played what ever you want to call it derry or london derry. You can not change its history