dare 1,103 Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 I respect those who are willing to loose their life protecting us. Don't see how anyone can have a pop at them being homeless, with the amount of scum who shouldn't even be in this country getting a roof over their heads. Just wondering though how many parents would be ok with their kids joining the army? I know it's the whole protective and worrying parent thing that frightens most. If I had kids though I'd also feel its abit pointless at the moment. Fighting a war which most agree we shouldn't even be fighting. Plus I don't see David cameron and the rest of ems kids fighting? Tony Blair sent how many kids to die? Someone's son comes back and gets a medal then struggles to find work or gets told what a great person they are after loosing their limbs. Mean while his son manages to buy a multimillion pound house. The money you get seems shit. Can say its not a job you do for money but then why do? If you want to see the world and travel save your legs and your money n go do it? I'm honestly not anti army if anything I think they deserve more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dare 1,103 Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 That animal that is the mother of baby p should of hung and even that's being kind. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
readie 184 Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 Part of resettlement is learning about setting up banks, housing even doing out a CV and applying for jobs. Its clear a number of individuals when leaving the army are not able to adapt and look after themselves in civ div. Its a new set of skills to be learnt and coming from the army who do eveything for you to venturing out on your own is like a baby leaving its mother. Could the army do more or is it down to the individual to square himself away and adapt. Good question...... There are morons and fuckwits in the forces just as there are morons and fuckwits in any other job/profession. Some of these homeless ex servicemen will have ended up homeless whether or not they joined the services... what a idiotic post,so some of the lads/lasses now homeless due to no fault of there own apart from serving in the armed forces would have been homeless anyway.there seems to be only the 1 fuckwit and its you for even thinking that.try telling that to a bosnia vet ive known and tried helping on numerous occasions all he can do is wake up each morning from his sleeping bag,go into town get a meal from a shelter walk around town until dusk then head back to his sleeping bag.he does this each day every day so he keeps a regimented cycle,anything that breaks this brings back the horrors of what he saw on his bosnia posting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
unlacedgecko 1,466 Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 You are misunderstanding my post. The bosnian vet (and many others like him) need all the help and support they can get. However, not every homeless ex serviceman is a war veteran with his mind destroyed by the horrors he experienced. Not everyone in uniform is a paragon of soldierly virtue. Some soldiers are incompetent, some soldiers are criminal and some soldiers are both. Im all for supporting the troops and helping those who require treatment/support. But lets be realistic here. Resources are limited, so they should be targeted to assist those most deserving. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
desertbred 5,490 Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 (edited) If you are a professional soldier you know what you signed up for and you suck it up and get on with it that is the same the world over you get injured or.disabled or even killed that is what you draw your pay for . What sticks in my throat is that when men or women put thier lives on the line for thier country they shouldnt have to worry about food on the table and a roof over thier families heads when serving or in later years, Service in defence of ones country is one of the greatest sacrifices a person can make its not only the person making a sacrifice it is also his entire family. Politicions and Goverments are ever ready to sacrifice ordinary people under one pretext or another , most have never served in any armed force niether have thier children but they will see veterans whether they have frontline service or were in barracks doing the cooking going hungry and homeless they have still put in the service and deserve support of the People and the Goverment. Edited November 3, 2013 by desertbred 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Buch 145 Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 Part of me agrees with unlacedgeko, but i think you have to be very careful saying "resources are limited so they should go to assist those who are most deserving". Who decides who is deserving or not? Some arbitrary set of conditions set down by a "suit" some where? The Roman Empire was built on its strong military who lived better lives than the average person from the moment they joined to the moment they died, retiring to a farm paid for by the state. Personally i would say some one who has served in the forces may not be more important than the average person but they are more deserving of money from the government than Abu Qatada or some central African dictator in foreign aid. Thats not even taking to account the fact that if you want top quality soldiers in the long term you need to look after them, morale being such a major component of fighting power. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Huan72 687 Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 Part of me agrees with unlacedgeko, but i think you have to be very careful saying "resources are limited so they should go to assist those who are most deserving". Who decides who is deserving or not? Some arbitrary set of conditions set down by a "suit" some where? The Roman Empire was built on its strong military who lived better lives than the average person from the moment they joined to the moment they died, retiring to a farm paid for by the state. Personally i would say some one who has served in the forces may not be more important than the average person but they are more deserving of money from the government than Abu Qatada or some central African dictator in foreign aid. Thats not even taking to account the fact that if you want top quality soldiers in the long term you need to look after them, morale being such a major component of fighting power. The problem as you say, is were the money is going.............I actually know a family of two adults with 3 children, they live in a privately rented house, which I believe costs £700 a month, they have a 10 plate people carrier and neither work, or want to work and the only stress they have is waiting for benefits so that they can get takeaway's, I kid you not. You know its benefit day because they get in a massive Chinese take away. The priorities and how we hand out benefits needs to change. I really do think though that the MOD could do a lot more, alchohol abuse is a major reason for homelessness and some use it to leave the real world because they just cant face it. If anything I think things will get worse, as the voluntary or part time side of the forces is planned to get much bigger and they don't even get the support that regulars do. That even includes the medical side of things, its just shocking. It all comes down to money, the MOD are trying to cut as much as possible and proper reintroduction and rehabilitation programmes cost. If the government cant afford to look after its troops, they should think more carefully before deploying them Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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