Dubbing

[Chicken_man 1,651]

Hello,

Dubbing . Whats your thoughts on that ? Is it legal ? Anyone ever not done it ? What would Judges at shows think ? Would they not favour un-dubbed birds ?

Just chucking something into the pot to think about .

Let me know your thoughts .

Ta

Edited October 30, 2013 by Chicken_man

[shamo_uk 15]

You'll find you have to dub certain breeds (Cock Birds) for showing ie OEG

 

OEG birds have been dubbed for years and years, just look at any of the older photos of the breed

 

Some of the birds will need secondary dubbing, but all dubbing heals fairly quick, just use some wound powder

[Chicken_man 1,651]

Thanks mate , ive done lots of reading , looked at lots of pics . I intend to show my birds , but they are more like the original type Oxford ie heavier , thicker legs , will just have to see how the judges look at that . The Oxford seems to be getting smaller . Got OEG bantys too . Never kept hold of any young cocks till now , space etc .

Thanks for replying

Edited October 30, 2013 by Chicken_man

[burnie69 376]

To dubb a bird legally it has to be dubbed with in 72 hours of hatching.As for the best time to do it remember a chicken doesn't moult until its 2nd season. So with in 72 hours at least your not breaking the law.

[fireman 11,106]

I'm no chicken man but if you watch a chook fight it grabs the head of another chook and then try's to kick it in or put a spur through it,removing the dangly bits from a chooks head gives the other bird less to grab hold off.Well that's how i see it anyway

BUT these days it's for showing but once was shown how to dub by a fella and have to say he was quick with it and the birds wasn't that much put out by it and he had a little secret wound powder that stopped the bleeding in seconds,not my thing but certainaly not cruel or barbaric when done properly.

[DUCKWING 302]

The thing is fellas ,

 

Gamefowl are unlike any other breed they will shred a comb on the mesh when penned while following. A free range hen past his pen , before long they are in a complete mess . The way they push through the wire trying to get out at a stag walking by who is trying to tread a .pullet ... Its far easier to dub a bird at 72, hrs ( legally done ) ....than let him be marked up constantly , something which also effects the fowl in winter with the freezing temps

 

Yes its tradition ...:. And why not ??? ...when its for good reason .

 

 

Theres a host of other welfare reasons i could cite but wont bother and will leave the dunghill breeders to their bigoted comments , tho i must admit ...some of the so called countrymen on this site should have a deep dark look at themselves as imo .... They are as bad as antis shouting the odds when they dont have a clue .... Crying on about a bird being dubbed yet thinking themselves above reproach when ferreting or out with their dogs .

Such men make me sick

 

 

 

Duckwing

[bullx100% 681]

Amen

[marshman 7,758]

Hmm two dubious questions !

[socks 32,253]

The thing is fellas ,

Gamefowl are unlike any other breed they will shred a comb on the mesh when penned while following. A free range hen past his pen , before long they are in a complete mess . The way they push through the wire trying to get out at a stag walking by who is trying to tread a .pullet ... Its far easier to dub a bird at 72, hrs ( legally done ) ....than let him be marked up constantly , something which also effects the fowl in winter with the freezing temps

Yes its tradition ...:. And why not ??? ...when its for good reason .

Theres a host of other welfare reasons i could cite but wont bother and will leave the dunghill breeders to their bigoted comments , tho i must admit ...some of the so called countrymen on this site should have a deep dark look at themselves as imo .... They are as bad as antis shouting the odds when they dont have a clue .... Crying on about a bird being dubbed yet thinking themselves above reproach when ferreting or out with their dogs .

Such men make me sick

Duckwing

So is this done when the bird is 72 hours old ??? And if done for the reasons stated then fair enough ... Near enough the same scenario as docking a spaniels tail to stop it getting smashed to pieces whilst working heavy cover ... Remember not everybody knows everything about everything and I had certainly never heard of dubbing before and the clip I watched wasn't a bird 72 hours old and it certainly wasn't quick lol ... Like I said with education comes a more objective look and I can see the advantages of the process if its going to save the bird regularly cutting up its combe and whatle ............

[DUCKWING 302]

 

The thing is fellas ,

Gamefowl are unlike any other breed they will shred a comb on the mesh when penned while following. A free range hen past his pen , before long they are in a complete mess . The way they push through the wire trying to get out at a stag walking by who is trying to tread a .pullet ... Its far easier to dub a bird at 72, hrs ( legally done ) ....than let him be marked up constantly , something which also effects the fowl in winter with the freezing temps

Yes its tradition ...:. And why not ??? ...when its for good reason .

Theres a host of other welfare reasons i could cite but wont bother and will leave the dunghill breeders to their bigoted comments , tho i must admit ...some of the so called countrymen on this site should have a deep dark look at themselves as imo .... They are as bad as antis shouting the odds when they dont have a clue .... Crying on about a bird being dubbed yet thinking themselves above reproach when ferreting or out with their dogs .

Such men make me sick

Duckwing

So is this done when the bird is 72 hours old ??? And if done for the reasons stated then fair enough ... Near enough the same scenario as docking a spaniels tail to stop it getting smashed to pieces whilst working heavy cover ... Remember not everybody knows everything about everything and I had certainly never heard of dubbing before and the clip I watched wasn't a bird 72 hours old and it certainly wasn't quick lol ... Like I said with education comes a more objective look and I can see the advantages of the process if its going to save the bird regularly cutting up its combe and whatle ............

Good comparison socks ... And tbh one i was going to use .

Of course like anythibg dubbing can be carried out later and perhaps makes a neater job , as a young lad of 15 i saw many birds dubbed in the age range of 10 monthes , and although there was a bit of blood it didnt effect the fowl one bit , with them eating within seconds as tho nothing was wrong

However to keep within the law we dub at 72 hrs ...even the old hands .

 

Duckwing

[socks 32,253]

 

 

The thing is fellas ,

Gamefowl are unlike any other breed they will shred a comb on the mesh when penned while following. A free range hen past his pen , before long they are in a complete mess . The way they push through the wire trying to get out at a stag walking by who is trying to tread a .pullet ... Its far easier to dub a bird at 72, hrs ( legally done ) ....than let him be marked up constantly , something which also effects the fowl in winter with the freezing temps

Yes its tradition ...:. And why not ??? ...when its for good reason .

Theres a host of other welfare reasons i could cite but wont bother and will leave the dunghill breeders to their bigoted comments , tho i must admit ...some of the so called countrymen on this site should have a deep dark look at themselves as imo .... They are as bad as antis shouting the odds when they dont have a clue .... Crying on about a bird being dubbed yet thinking themselves above reproach when ferreting or out with their dogs .

Such men make me sick

Duckwing

So is this done when the bird is 72 hours old ??? And if done for the reasons stated then fair enough ... Near enough the same scenario as docking a spaniels tail to stop it getting smashed to pieces whilst working heavy cover ... Remember not everybody knows everything about everything and I had certainly never heard of dubbing before and the clip I watched wasn't a bird 72 hours old and it certainly wasn't quick lol ... Like I said with education comes a more objective look and I can see the advantages of the process if its going to save the bird regularly cutting up its combe and whatle ............

Good comparison socks ... And tbh one i was going to use .

Of course like anythibg dubbing can be carried out later and perhaps makes a neater job , as a young lad of 15 i saw many birds dubbed in the age range of 10 monthes , and although there was a bit of blood it didnt effect the fowl one bit , with them eating within seconds as tho nothing was wrong

However to keep within the law we dub at 72 hrs ...even the old hands .

Duckwing

I will class myself as educated .........

[Chicken_man 1,651]

Thanks for the advice folks , lots to think about now , and i find it useful