Foxing With A Normal Shotgun Load?

[GEOFF.223 83]

Anyone use sg cartridges?

[SportingShooter 0]

Have done, not since I patterned them at 40 yards

[Alsone 789]

Anyone use sg cartridges?

 

What SS Said. Not enough shot.

 

Once you get onto really big cartridges then you only get something like 6 shot to a cartridge. Shoot at any kind of reasonable distance and you might only get a single hit or maybe a double. Each shot is then like a bullet apart from its non expanding and has a comparatively low amount of energy. The result is unless you hit something vital, its pretty much like shooting the fox with low power solid target ammo from a rifle apart from the fact the shotgun only has a fraction of the power of even that.

 

You wouldn't do it with a rifle so why would you do it with a shotgun? Seriously, large shot are as much a liability as small you trade shock for energy which is then poorly transferred and the risk of wounding then increases massively. You tend to drill 1 or 2 neat holes straight into the animal and just wound it (at least from what I understand. Always been warned about it so never tried it but it makes perfect sense).

 

No'3 to AAA's is the usual recommended range of sizes for fox and the middle sizes work the best of all in my opinion. I don't claim to be an expert though but I wouldn't go smaller than 3 or larger than BB personally. You need both a mixture of size and quantity. One or the other doesn't work well.

Edited October 29, 2013 by Alsone

[Deker 3,478]

Anyone use sg cartridges?

 

I still have some but have never found a field use for them, mine have all been used in testing/demonstration.

 

Most SG cartridges will be 11/8oz, contain 9 lumps of lead, each of 8.4mm and deliver in total just short of 2000ft lb. energy. (Why is shooting mixed full of Imperial and Metric scales?). Energy transfer at normal shotgun distances is good, over penetration becomes unlikely, and one or two hits pretty much anywhere you like will stop a fox.

 

Close range they are devastating and energy wise it could be likened to being hit by 9 x .38 Special rounds simultaneously, the fact is 40 yards away the fox "could" walk clean through the pattern!

 

I take out the best tool for the job and whilst that will be a rifle generally, the shotgun comes out sometimes, but I have never found the situation right for shotgun/SG and fox.

[toby63 1,236]

i have found that 3 1/2 in remi no4s with 2 1/4 once load with half choke does the job fine.

[paulus 26]

 

Anyone use sg cartridges?

 

I still have some but have never found a field use for them, mine have all been used in testing/demonstration.

 

Most SG cartridges will be 11/8oz, contain 9 lumps of lead, each of 8.4mm and deliver in total just short of 2000ft lb. energy. (Why is shooting mixed full of Imperial and Metric scales?). Energy transfer at normal shotgun distances is good, over penetration becomes unlikely, and one or two hits pretty much anywhere you like will stop a fox.

 

Close range they are devastating and energy wise it could be likened to being hit by 9 x .38 Special rounds simultaneously, the fact is 40 yards away the fox "could" walk clean through the pattern!

 

I take out the best tool for the job and whilst that will be a rifle generally, the shotgun comes out sometimes, but I have never found the situation right for shotgun/SG and fox.

 

had it happen times mate even on a stationary target better off with a few no3`s or bb`s

[Luto 0]

I Han get a fox in under 15 yards. The problem with AAA is I am only 15 and I think a AAA would have to much recoil in my shotgun as it is only light. Secondly I would be sat for the shot would this help.

Thanks, Luke

[perthshire keeper 1,239]

i dont much matter what the shot size is its the gram that produces the recoil and from experience (ime sure i will be put right if ime wrong) but most AAA loads are about 36Gram. so wont have much kick over normal loads.

 

i have used sg for roe but again their is better loads i would honestly leave SG loads to the gun nuts who shoot wheelbarrows with them

[Alsone 789]

 

Anyone use sg cartridges?

 

the fact is 40 yards away the fox "could" walk clean through the pattern!

 

I take out the best tool for the job and whilst that will be a rifle generally, the shotgun comes out sometimes, but I have never found the situation right for shotgun/SG and fox.

 

 

+1.

 

It would also be interesting to know the retained energy at 40yds as the shot from a shotgun lose energy very rapidly plus you have the issue of no expansion. Not an issue with many shot to spread the shock but much more of an issue with a single shot. Hence why greater shot numbers become an advantage.

[GEOFF.223 83]

I have shot a few foxes with them but no more than 35 40 yards away.

[Brickhill 28]

I have shot many foxes over the years with a shotgun. You can kill them easily with relatively small shot as long as they are relatively close and the charge connects in the right place.

In fact, the last one I shot was last Saturday. It ran through the line and I shot it with a 12g Hull Cartridge Imperial Game shell which was 28g of No 6. It was hit hard in the back of the head at about 30 paces distance. It died instantly.

[hunter bull X 23]

I use 3" 50g no1s they don't seem to get up after one of them.

[Yokel Matt 918]

It boils down to what your intentions are. If you're specifically out on a fox control day then I'd pack bb's and leave other quarry alone. If you're rough shooting with the chance of a fox maybe keep to 5's and be sensible about the range. If your on a game shoot and are using 7.5's a) give yourself a slap and put a proper game load in make sure you clear ground game and vermin with the keeper before hand or be prepared to take an early bath.

 

Be sensible with the range and even clay dust shot will do the job but go out with the specific intention if shooting foxs and slacking on the proper load isn't on in my book.

[compoundarcher 35]

Have you got foxes stated on your ticket?

[hutchey 147]

Slightly off topic but can anyone advise the best method and what to get / use for cleaning a 12bore? I got mine but havent had time to fire it yet, partially as i'd like to know how and what to use to clean it etc.