Quitting The Edl

[gnasher16 30,458]

Not sure where all the white national stuff is coming from, the EDL is about confronting the extremists of religion, not the skin colour of the extremist. I am more concerned about what's going in someone's head than the colour of their hair, eyes or skin.

 

Yes but did you care what was going on inside peoples heads before they arrived on these shores ?.......no you didnt give a toss....... Is extremist religion something new then ?.... None of us care about these things until they start to effect our daily lives.

 

Dogs and cats are fine in separate rooms but put them in the same room and theres likely to be a problem........ FORCE them to be in the same room and there WILL be a problem

[Born Hunter 17,809]

 

Its all a bit late in the day to start being sensible.....its sensible and fair that got us in this mess !..... Far as im concerned this country needs rebuilding from the bottom up if that means taking 2 steps back to eventually go 3 steps forward thats how it has to be.......all this " we need immigration " is todays societies way of controlling our thoughts in my opinion.

 

 

That's all good a well Gnash but lets get down to the dirt and grime of what you suggest. What's your plan? Because with anybody I've spoken to so far that takes such a strong stance they are usually short on the what and how. The plans are always vague and avoid the uncomfortable details.

 

It's also my opinion that being sensible is not what got us here, being short sighted and not looking at the true consiquences of the level and type of immigration is what got us here.

 

I can't help but admire your common sense approach to just about everything but lets talk details and see how it works.

[Born Hunter 17,809]

Come'on max, you don't really believe that? The white British population is the most well behaved and whipped in the world, we're a very civilised bunch that pay our taxes and work hard. Why the hell would the powers that be come up with the not so cracking idea of allowing mass immigration of third world crap just to make us conform under a new religion? That makes no sense and requires some sort of NWO conspiracy, lol.

 

Immigration was encouraged at the level we have seen as a very short sighted prop for our welfare state. It's a Ponzi scheme that is beginning to crumble....

Edited October 30, 2013 by Born Hunter

[gnasher16 30,458]

 

Its all a bit late in the day to start being sensible.....its sensible and fair that got us in this mess !..... Far as im concerned this country needs rebuilding from the bottom up if that means taking 2 steps back to eventually go 3 steps forward thats how it has to be.......all this " we need immigration " is todays societies way of controlling our thoughts in my opinion.

 

That's all good a well Gnash but lets get down to the dirt and grime of what you suggest. What's your plan? Because with anybody I've spoken to so far that takes such a strong stance they are usually short on the what and how. The plans are always vague and avoid the uncomfortable details.

 

It's also my opinion that being sensible is not what got us here, being short sighted and not looking at the true consiquences of the level and type of immigration is what got us here.

 

I can't help but admire your common sense approach to just about everything but lets talk details and see how it works.

Born hunter i am not a politician,i am not even a particularly bright person.....i know my limitations and wouldnt dream of debating such details with somebody like you and i dont mean that impolitely i just know im out of my depth on an educational level........ rightly or wrongly my thoughts and opinions are based solely from a man in the street presumption..... that presumption being that there MUST be something someone more intelligent than me can come up with.

 

I dont for one minute think i have al the answers its a bit like the way we all moan at our footie club managers or the latest England manager we all have our opinions but could we do better probably not...... doesnt stop us voicing that opinion in order to enter into debate though does it.

 

I just dont believe that this great nation could not manage without the help of immigrants and i stand by that until further learning causes for a rethink.

[Born Hunter 17,809]

It's a complex problem mate, one I admit I don't fully understand. But I'm yet to hear a real hardliner give a detailed solution to the problem.

 

I have my own solution, some may call it weak and feable, others may call it strong and conservative, but it's the best I can come up with and the only solution I can see that wouldn't see Britons tried in the Hague.

[Ratreeper 441]

 

Not sure where all the white national stuff is coming from, the EDL is about confronting the extremists of religion, not the skin colour of the extremist. I am more concerned about what's going in someone's head than the colour of their hair, eyes or skin.

 

Yes but did you care what was going on inside peoples heads before they arrived on these shores ?.......no you didnt give a toss....... Is extremist religion something new then ?.... None of us care about these things until they start to effect our daily lives.

 

Dogs and cats are fine in separate rooms but put them in the same room and theres likely to be a problem........ FORCE them to be in the same room and there WILL be a problem

 

 

Actually I do care a lot about what goes on abroad, but possibly in a selfish way. I despise the desert tribes and it concerns me greatly that Iran for example may be in possession of nuclear weapons in my lifetime (or maybe a year? Who knows for sure...). It also bothers me that scientific progress and education is being retarded by extremist and moderate religious people in all faiths, so the benefits of stem cells etc may not be realised and I might die of a curable ailment, which is infuriating as well.

 

I also despised living in a 'Muslim area' and I hate the idea that such a place can exist in the UK. So don't get me wrong I am not some deluded muppet with his eyes closed, BUT I believe it is a cultural issue instead of a racial one for the most part. I should explain that as I am still struggling to organise my own thoughts on the matter aswell, as on one hand the science of it such as studying the human genome shows the difference between races is practically non-existent. But the science also shows that East Asians have a higher IQ, their language allows for an easier understanding of mathematics and that black people have a lower IQ than everyone else. I can also look at the facts that every black nation is a shithole, black people in predominantly white countries are statistically going to be more likely involved in crime and perform badly at school etc and compared to East Asians the pattern is beyond obvious. However, gypsies are also more likely to be in prison and more money is being drained from our nation by Eastern (WHITE) Europeans who come over in gangs to defraud and steal for their families back home. It was white German people and their arrogant nationalism that caused the genocides in WW2 which is no different to the African tribes and atrocities such as the Rwandan genocide.

 

So I notice the differences between races and that probably makes me racist, but I don't hate anyone for being different and I don't think anyone can be called superior to anyone else. I enjoyed a lovely curry yesterday cooked by a bunch of Muslims, who are sound gentlemen who I would defend. I have confronted groups of twats in take aways being racist to the owners, I can't stand skin-colour racism. But how is ignorant nationalism going to help anyone?

[Born Hunter 17,809]

 

Come'on max, you don't really believe that? The white British population is the most well behaved and whipped in the world, we're a very civilised bunch that pay our taxes and work hard. Why the hell would the powers that be come up with the not so cracking idea of allowing mass immigration of third world crap just to make us conform under a new religion? That makes no sense and requires some sort of NWO conspiracy, lol.

 

Immigration was encouraged at the level we have seen as a very short sighted prop for our welfare state. It's a Ponzi scheme that is beginning to crumble....

Didnt i just say that also ?

 

Like i say bite the pension bullet now or its a ever increasing spiral of shit Pie.

 

 

I was commenting on your previous post, you had'nt made the second post when I started to write mine.

[WILF 47,591]

 

Not sure where all the white national stuff is coming from, the EDL is about confronting the extremists of religion, not the skin colour of the extremist. I am more concerned about what's going in someone's head than the colour of their hair, eyes or skin.

 

Yes but did you care what was going on inside peoples heads before they arrived on these shores ?.......no you didnt give a toss....... Is extremist religion something new then ?.... None of us care about these things until they start to effect our daily lives.

 

Dogs and cats are fine in separate rooms but put them in the same room and theres likely to be a problem........ FORCE them to be in the same room and there WILL be a problem

 

 

Gnash, let me put something to you mate and I write this with no old side whatsoever, now I have been down the road of all the groups spoken about back in the day but as I have got older my personal opinion is that not everything is black and white (no joke intended) so I take everyone on their merits whatever their colour and I also believe that just being white british born don't automatically make you OK, we both know there are some real f*****g tools in the world.

 

So, I suppose what I am getting to is this.......in your posts you seem very black and white about things but given your life long involvement in boxing and fitness gyms you will obviously have more than the average amount of dealings and in all likelihood be good pals with a good few black blokes.

 

Could you honestly tell all of them to sling their hook back to Africa is that ever came to pass?.........how do you square in your mind your daily involvement with them and maybe having them as clients and taking their money if you firmly believe that we shouldn't mix in any way and that they shouldn't be here?

 

Maybe I have read it all wrong and you never said any of the above, anyway, Just interested

 

 

As I said, no old side meant just a genuine question mate

 

(Don't want to get Ironed out at Villa on Saturday by 100 stone of my own lads! )

Edited October 30, 2013 by WILF

[paulus 26]

The action that is required to solve any of these problems would never be taken by any democratically elected government, so there is the start and the end of the problem, nice to see people are now waking up to the fact the country's problems are not all caused by the unemployed

[tandors 888]

I'm sure if there was no political agenda or racism rhetoric then the science backs up the fact that if blacks and whites where any other species of animal they would be classed as subspecies of the same family. Lets not forget to scream racism in this day and age is an instant debate winner and free speech stifler as it instantly puts the accused on the defensive with the I'm not racist but rubbish. The word racist was coined by Trotsky to control people just the same as any other of the 3 desert religions, Judaism being the worst of the 3 in my opinion. If anything its more racist on the third world if we take in immigranst as it results in a massive brain drain in these countries where their brightest people leave. we should encourage them to come here and pay for a good education, then go home with and help create a decent country of their own instead of sucking us dry and taking jobs. The usual reason for immigration being good is the nhs as all the doctors and nurses are immigrants, this is completely manufactured as its been pointed out that while the NHS needs to recruit 13,000 new doctors each year in order to maintain staffing levels, British universities are restricted in the number of places they can offer to medical students to 6,000 per annum. This is despite the fact that there are many more willing applicants than university places available and there would be easily enough suitably qualified applicants to fill 13,000 medical student vacancies each year if our education policy were to allow it, just as was the case during the 1960s.

http://www.westernspring.co.uk/third-world-nhs-deliberately-engineered/

As for how to deal with where we are now my angle would be stop immigration and encourage repatriation, by addressing the reasons why third world immigrant (parasites) come to white countries, namely financial benefits, in whichever guise they take. It's a very complex situation and hopefully a lot of these countries will become more affluent in their own right so they go home of their own accord as they search for a better life.

Apologies for long post lol.

[paulus 26]

I'm sure if there was no political agenda or racism rhetoric then the science backs up the fact that if blacks and whites where any other species of animal they would be classed as subspecies of the same family. Lets not forget to scream racism in this day and age is an instant debate winner and free speech stifler as it instantly puts the accused on the defensive with the I'm not racist but rubbish. The word racist was coined by Trotsky to control people just the same as any other of the 3 desert religions, Judaism being the worst of the 3 in my opinion. If anything its more racist on the third world if we take in immigranst as it results in a massive brain drain in these countries where their brightest people leave. we should encourage them to come here and pay for a good education, then go home with and help create a decent country of their own instead of sucking us dry and taking jobs. The usual reason for immigration being good is the nhs as all the doctors and nurses are immigrants, this is completely manufactured as its been pointed out that while the NHS needs to recruit 13,000 new doctors each year in order to maintain staffing levels, British universities are restricted in the number of places they can offer to medical students to 6,000 per annum. This is despite the fact that there are many more willing applicants than university places available and there would be easily enough suitably qualified applicants to fill 13,000 medical student vacancies each year if our education policy were to allow it, just as was the case during the 1960s.

http://www.westernspring.co.uk/third-world-nhs-deliberately-engineered/

As for how to deal with where we are now my angle would be stop immigration and encourage repatriation, by addressing the reasons why third world immigrant (parasites) come to white countries, namely financial benefits, in whichever guise they take. It's a very complex situation and hopefully a lot of these countries will become more affluent in their own right so they go home of their own accord as they search for a better life.

Apologies for long post lol.

migrants from Syria are sneaking into lorries in france to get to Britain even though they would be financially better off claiming asylum in France

[tandors 888]

Would they?

[paulus 26]

Would they?

it was on telly last night here they would as a couple get 72 quid per week here and in France 123 quid and housing benefit in both countries

[paulus 26]

its is also law they must claim asylum in the first european country they arrive at. so we should have no syrian asylum seekers here at all

[paulus 26]

Stop ALL Benefits for Immigrants

They should have to work and pay in FULL time for 3 years, maybe 5 before being able to claim a penny.

They should also have to take out Private Medical Ins to pay for any medical care for a 5 year qualifying period.

Its common sense and Fair.

Re asylum seekers that sneak thru ect 98% are lying that their lives are at risk ect.

Lie detector test and any hint of bullshit Dna test and ship back to nearest country of origin.

If they play ball give them a grand or two to go back with

If they draw it out ship them back with nothing.

Im not against immigration

Im against uncontrolled asylum

and those that come on the take .

Pay in before taking out , simples.

only need to send them back to france its there problem not ours