This Is Just Hypothetical

[Rake aboot 4,935]

.223 would drop a fekin elephant if you hit the right spot.

 

I once took 2 shots to drop a sheep with a .222, bang on headshot right behind the ear, and the tup bloody shook hit head and just looked at me as if to say , "Twat"

 

Second shot wiped the expression off though.

[walshie 2,804]

1100+ ft/lbs of energy? Of course a .223 would kill a cow or horse.

[jigsaw 11,863]

some of us dont grasp all that ft/lbs stuff,but i got my answer so thanks anyway.

[Craig83 52]

Iv seen a cow get shot with 5.56 (.223) in Helmand and it dropped (cross fire before you all get jumpy)

 

However I wouldn't like to say for commercial ammo.

[Alsone 789]

Iv seen a cow get shot with 5.56 (.223) in Helmand and it dropped (cross fire before you all get jumpy)

 

However I wouldn't like to say for commercial ammo.

 

Commercial ammo is more powerful as the military aren't allowed expanding ammo due to the Geneva Convention. Military bullets try to deliver more energy by tumbling. Commercial ammo induces hydrostatic shocking trhough expansion / fragmentation.

 

Or to give you a more visual explanation. A soldier shot through the arm / leg often has a wound that can be bandaged (that doesn't mean its not serious). However, the same shot using commercial ammo would most probably sever all arteris veins. muscles, bone and blow the arm / leg clean off the body (depending on the calibre of course - but you wouldn't want to be shot at close range by eg .223 that's for sure).

Edited November 2, 2013 by Alsone

[Alsone 789]

some of us dont grasp all that ft/lbs stuff,but i got my answer so thanks anyway.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot-pound_%28energy%29

[jigsaw 11,863]

thanks alsone,maybe later i will get the grasp of it all,lol.

[perthshire keeper 1,239]

i (used) to get calls to shoot stock all the time it was weekly every thing from goats to BIG bulls and 9 times out of 10 it would be a rim fire job ive shot a cows with a 17hmr and its fetteled them plenty! always give a second thou but the bulls have had a small cf when i had a 223 it was that later the 22-250 i once saw a Belgian blue bull with a broken front leg get shot in the run with a 243 at about 100m and it got rolled over in one shot! its was stunning! the old guy who done it was shakeing like a shitting dog!

[GEOFF.223 83]

so,before anyone starts jumping to conclusions,my mate and I were discussing the matter with conflicting views.I was saying to him,if tou tried to shoot a horse/cow with a 223 at point blank range straight in the centre of the forehead,it would have the capability to render the said animal defunct/dead/,he reckons it wouldnt have the power and the chance of a ricochet would be there.what would you folk think?I said Id throw this up here just to solve the debate,lol.and no horses/cows or large mamals were hurt in the creation of this composition.

A .223 at point blank range even through a skull will travel a foot + through bone and flesh with no problems.

 

Also depends on what type of bullet ur using some will travel further.

[Alsone 789]

 

so,before anyone starts jumping to conclusions,my mate and I were discussing the matter with conflicting views.I was saying to him,if tou tried to shoot a horse/cow with a 223 at point blank range straight in the centre of the forehead,it would have the capability to render the said animal defunct/dead/,he reckons it wouldnt have the power and the chance of a ricochet would be there.what would you folk think?I said Id throw this up here just to solve the debate,lol.and no horses/cows or large mamals were hurt in the creation of this composition.

A .223 at point blank range even through a skull will travel a foot + through bone and flesh with no problems.

 

Also depends on what type of bullet ur using some will travel further.

 

Here's a penetration test through 1/4 inch steel plate from around 25yards (camera starts off zoomed in).

 

Soft point goes straight through.

 

Now apart from doubting that a cow's skull is tougher than 1/4 inch solid steel, there's also point blank vs 25 yds to take into account:

 

Edited November 3, 2013 by Alsone

[rimmer 33]

 

Iv seen a cow get shot with 5.56 (.223) in Helmand and it dropped (cross fire before you all get jumpy)

 

However I wouldn't like to say for commercial ammo.

 

Commercial ammo is more powerful as the military aren't allowed expanding ammo due to the Geneva Convention. Military bullets try to deliver more energy by tumbling. Commercial ammo induces hydrostatic shocking trhough expansion / fragmentation.

 

Or to give you a more visual explanation. A soldier shot through the arm / leg often has a wound that can be bandaged (that doesn't mean its not serious). However, the same shot using commercial ammo would most probably sever all arteris veins. muscles, bone and blow the arm / leg clean off the body (depending on the calibre of course - but you wouldn't want to be shot at close range by eg .223 that's for sure).

 

Yes there is a diff between the 2 but i think that 5.56 is faster rhan 223 due to case diffs and they typically use a i think a 65g round so carries more energy than than a 223 with a 55g, but your correct with the rest of the post

[jigsaw 11,863]

so were still in agreement the 223 will flaten a big beast close range,lol

[Craig83 52]

 

 

Iv seen a cow get shot with 5.56 (.223) in Helmand and it dropped (cross fire before you all get jumpy)

 

However I wouldn't like to say for commercial ammo.

Commercial ammo is more powerful as the military aren't allowed expanding ammo due to the Geneva Convention. Military bullets try to deliver more energy by tumbling. Commercial ammo induces hydrostatic shocking trhough expansion / fragmentation.

 

Or to give you a more visual explanation. A soldier shot through the arm / leg often has a wound that can be bandaged (that doesn't mean its not serious). However, the same shot using commercial ammo would most probably sever all arteris veins. muscles, bone and blow the arm / leg clean off the body (depending on the calibre of course - but you wouldn't want to be shot at close range by eg .223 that's for sure).

They say tumbling, I can assure you it breaks up, not as much as expanding ammo but it does still break up. And i may be wrong but I'm pretty sure standard issue ammo is by far more powerful than what you get off the shelf.

 

But yeah your right it's not actually that serious in this day and age, iv seen a few guys get zapped and lived, and in one particular case a wound to both thighs (through and through) and matey walked the 120m back to the PB

 

Back to the subject. If you shot a horse or cow point blank in the head it would kill it

[perthshire keeper 1,239]

 

 

Iv seen a cow get shot with 5.56 (.223) in Helmand and it dropped (cross fire before you all get jumpy)

 

However I wouldn't like to say for commercial ammo.

Commercial ammo is more powerful as the military aren't allowed expanding ammo due to the Geneva Convention. Military bullets try to deliver more energy by tumbling. Commercial ammo induces hydrostatic shocking trhough expansion / fragmentation.

 

Or to give you a more visual explanation. A soldier shot through the arm / leg often has a wound that can be bandaged (that doesn't mean its not serious). However, the same shot using commercial ammo would most probably sever all arteris veins. muscles, bone and blow the arm / leg clean off the body (depending on the calibre of course - but you wouldn't want to be shot at close range by eg .223 that's for sure).

They say tumbling, I can assure you it breaks up, not as much as expanding ammo but it does still break up. And i may be wrong but I'm pretty sure standard issue ammo is by far more powerful than what you get off the shelf.

 

But yeah your right it's not actually that serious in this day and age, iv seen a few guys get zapped and lived, and in one particular case a wound to both thighs (through and through) and matey walked the 120m back to the PB

 

Back to the subject. If you shot a horse or cow point blank in the head it would kill it

 

most service ammo is slightly slower than factory and much slower than most home loads, but service ammo normaly is slightly heaver than one would use in the equivilant hunting round

[threelander 81]

hi airgun ant and alan 81.

the diagram shown with the cross between the eyes to the forehead is bang on.i,m a slaughterman and been shooting cattle for 35 years in that exact same spot.