When Do Lines Become Your Own

[Bosun11 537]

Lines become yours only when, you have bred for the best, either for work or looks (it don't matter) and they are so good that the world wants one. It matters not where your gear came from, or who bred it first.

You then sell 'em for exorbitant sums of money to as many folks as you can, breeding the arse out of your bitches for coin. Those folks who have got one, then tell more and more using your name before any other in the 'pedigree' of these dogs and the newcomers don't know anything else, so they 'only' use your name. They are selling too and some making more off your name than you but a wave of water bearing your name is washing up the country, everyone is getting washed up in it, everyone wants the new name in dogs. Story's of how you created these wonder dogs abound and you turn into some sort of quasi super hero and Internet hunting sites can't get enough of your name..!!

History, in the breeding of dogs, is a fickle thing.

Now good or bad (and by this time its going bad), these dogs that carry your name are being peddled far and wide, even overseas, some of them are breeding far more than you and they still have your name, they look little like your original gear, work less like 'em too, what can you do, because the knockers are here now, driven by jealousy in the first instance, saturation in the second. Your still making money but now finding it difficult to raise your head as the abuse comes fast. Shows are a no-go, hunting media worse! Your circle of friends is not the one you started out with, your dogs are not as they were. Everyone wants a piece of you good or bad.... How thick is your skin...?

 

Putting YOUR name to a dog, line, type, breed..... No fecking thank you..!!!

[paulus 26]

Lines become yours only when, you have bred for the best, either for work or looks (it don't matter) and they are so good that the world wants one. It matters not where your gear came from, or who bred it first.

You then sell 'em for exorbitant sums of money to as many folks as you can, breeding the arse out of your bitches for coin. Those folks who have got one, then tell more and more using your name before any other in the 'pedigree' of these dogs and the newcomers don't know anything else, so they 'only' use your name. They are selling too and some making more off your name than you but a wave of water bearing your name is washing up the country, everyone is getting washed up in it, everyone wants the new name in dogs. Story's of how you created these wonder dogs abound and you turn into some sort of quasi super hero and Internet hunting sites can't get enough of your name..!!

History, in the breeding of dogs, is a fickle thing.

Now good or bad (and by this time its going bad), these dogs that carry your name are being peddled far and wide, even overseas, some of them are breeding far more than you and they still have your name, they look little like your original gear, work less like 'em too, what can you do, because the knockers are here now, driven by jealousy in the first instance, saturation in the second. Your still making money but now finding it difficult to raise your head as the abuse comes fast. Shows are a no-go, hunting media worse! Your circle of friends is not the one you started out with, your dogs are not as they were. Everyone wants a piece of you good or bad.... How thick is your skin...?

 

Putting YOUR name to a dog, line, type, breed..... No fecking thank you..!!!

you forgot the book

[Bosun11 537]

 

Lines become yours only when, you have bred for the best, either for work or looks (it don't matter) and they are so good that the world wants one. It matters not where your gear came from, or who bred it first.

You then sell 'em for exorbitant sums of money to as many folks as you can, breeding the arse out of your bitches for coin. Those folks who have got one, then tell more and more using your name before any other in the 'pedigree' of these dogs and the newcomers don't know anything else, so they 'only' use your name. They are selling too and some making more off your name than you but a wave of water bearing your name is washing up the country, everyone is getting washed up in it, everyone wants the new name in dogs. Story's of how you created these wonder dogs abound and you turn into some sort of quasi super hero and Internet hunting sites can't get enough of your name..!!

History, in the breeding of dogs, is a fickle thing.

Now good or bad (and by this time its going bad), these dogs that carry your name are being peddled far and wide, even overseas, some of them are breeding far more than you and they still have your name, they look little like your original gear, work less like 'em too, what can you do, because the knockers are here now, driven by jealousy in the first instance, saturation in the second. Your still making money but now finding it difficult to raise your head as the abuse comes fast. Shows are a no-go, hunting media worse! Your circle of friends is not the one you started out with, your dogs are not as they were. Everyone wants a piece of you good or bad.... How thick is your skin...?

 

Putting YOUR name to a dog, line, type, breed..... No fecking thank you..!!!

you forgot the book

 

Damn... I knew their was sommat else..!!!! :laugh:

[Accip74 7,112]

Is this worst case scenario? Lol

[GAMEDOG 106]

I think if you took totally un-related,never bred together before bloodstock from Mr Smith and Mr Jones and constantly bred it together for say at least 4generation's neither Smith or Jones could call it thier's as they never bred it together,making you the breeder of that line, But,you'd have to produce very good dog's working on the principle 'Work the best,Cull the rest' and be very careful where you placed the offspring,At first Your-Line would be very sought after,but as your produce soon become's widespread and diluted(which would be out of your control) like Bosun11 said, Your name would be mud! Depending on how much you value your namesake it's a Big gamble imo

[gonetoearth 5,144]

Never

[paulus 26]

Never

what ever,ever

[gonetoearth 5,144]

 

Never

 

what ever,ever

. No that the name of my line never twaterdales

[TOPPER 1,809]

ive bred and worked the same line of patterdale s for over 23 years ive line bred them outcrossed when i needed to to the same lines but i still refer to them as gouldys pats were as the bedlingtons ive played around with and all but 1 here are line bred but even the odd ball is bred pretty much the same way as mine

[the_stig 6,614]

lines names and books ---are we back on the what makes terriermen famous thread

[Cleanspade 3,324]

 

 

 

So whats the difference between a line and strain I think some of the confusion lies in the fact that your dogs have to be unique/typey whatever....they don't ....close/in breeding over a few generations will give you the beginning of a line,if the litters grow out between 9 inch and 19 inch every colour under the sun,it don't matter ,it would still be the start of YOUR line....getting even litters would be the next challenge...then you would have "fixed a type".Lot of bitching in the KC world over this get a prefix/affix and suddenly its" my line"without even breeding a litter

why would you want "even" litters

 

if your breeding for work then you still try to breed even litters. by trying to produce pups of the right size. with good bone weatherproof jackets similar qualities in there workstyle and so on. even if your not trying to breed even litters. you are still doing so. as to do the job of work they have they need these qualities.

 

i think you will be able to say you have your own strain when you breed what you need consistantly. and others breed and value what your breeding and come back to you for advice on breeding the stock they got off you. if they are any good is a different kettle of fish.

 

as for the KC. a prefix goes before your dogs name and this is if you bred the litter. this will pass on to the future owners. ie. bummers blockhead. if you buy one in you can put your name on it with an afix. like bummers blockhead at. fcukwits. (bred by bummers. owned by fcukwits) thats my take on it. as far as i am led to believe

 

so your saying they need to be from an even litter to be able to work well ?

 

 

no what i am saying is the nature of earthwork tells you what a terrier needs to be successfull. we all. breed to this blueprint . therefore if you breed with work in mind you will / should end up with dogs that fit this blueprint. small hardy strong little terriers that fit in the ground have weatherproof jackets. if there are a large percentage that dont fit this . they are wastage. (not fit for purpose) . so i suppose i am saying anyone breeding for work. is inadvertently breeding towards even litters.

[dillydog 8,477]

Lines become yours only when, you have bred for the best, either for work or looks (it don't matter) and they are so good that the world wants one. It matters not where your gear came from, or who bred it first.

You then sell 'em for exorbitant sums of money to as many folks as you can, breeding the arse out of your bitches for coin. Those folks who have got one, then tell more and more using your name before any other in the 'pedigree' of these dogs and the newcomers don't know anything else, so they 'only' use your name. They are selling too and some making more off your name than you but a wave of water bearing your name is washing up the country, everyone is getting washed up in it, everyone wants the new name in dogs. Story's of how you created these wonder dogs abound and you turn into some sort of quasi super hero and Internet hunting sites can't get enough of your name..!!

History, in the breeding of dogs, is a fickle thing.

Now good or bad (and by this time its going bad), these dogs that carry your name are being peddled far and wide, even overseas, some of them are breeding far more than you and they still have your name, they look little like your original gear, work less like 'em too, what can you do, because the knockers are here now, driven by jealousy in the first instance, saturation in the second. Your still making money but now finding it difficult to raise your head as the abuse comes fast. Shows are a no-go, hunting media worse! Your circle of friends is not the one you started out with, your dogs are not as they were. Everyone wants a piece of you good or bad.... How thick is your skin...?

 

Putting YOUR name to a dog, line, type, breed..... No fecking thank you..!!!

Just about sums it up, made me grin like a toothless twat, many thanks. :-)

[jawn 449]

It depends on what kind of recognition you are after....If it is validation from others, then it's like Bosun says. When people point to a dog you produced in the ped before any others you are off to a good, or possibly bad start.

 

If it's a personal standard you've set fourth... Then I suppose it all comes down to your own expectations.

 

I've seen serious dedicated dog men with over thirty years of breeding a particular type of dog, based on a basic formula of a three way cross that successfully and predictably resulted in a unique type of working terrier regarded as not having their own line. The funny thing is....most of them couldn't care less if they EVER sold a dog.

 

When the dogs produced are,(for better or worse) routinely distinguishable from the lines that produced them....you have your own line in my opinion.

[gonetoearth 5,144]

It depends on what kind of recognition you are after....If it is validation from others, then it's like Bosun says. When people point to a dog you produced in the ped before any others you are off to a good, or possibly bad start.

 

If it's a personal standard you've set fourth... Then I suppose it all comes down to your own expectations.

 

I've seen serious dedicated dog men with over thirty years of breeding a particular type of dog, based on a basic formula of a three way cross that successfully and predictably resulted in a unique type of working terrier regarded as not having their own line. The funny thing is....most of them couldn't care less if they EVER sold a dog.

 

When the dogs produced are,(for better or worse) routinely distinguishable from the lines that produced them....you have your own line in my opinion.

. You yanks are the worst in the world for it Some one gets a terrier sent over next thing you know there breeding them and it SHANNON DOOR DOOMSDAY OUT of. ROOTINTOOTIN BARNDOORGIRL lines lol. FOOKING american patterdale my arse Edited October 20, 2013 by gonetoearth

[paulus 26]

 

It depends on what kind of recognition you are after....If it is validation from others, then it's like Bosun says. When people point to a dog you produced in the ped before any others you are off to a good, or possibly bad start.

 

If it's a personal standard you've set fourth... Then I suppose it all comes down to your own expectations.

 

I've seen serious dedicated dog men with over thirty years of breeding a particular type of dog, based on a basic formula of a three way cross that successfully and predictably resulted in a unique type of working terrier regarded as not having their own line. The funny thing is....most of them couldn't care less if they EVER sold a dog.

 

When the dogs produced are,(for better or worse) routinely distinguishable from the lines that produced them....you have your own line in my opinion.

. You yanks are the worst in the world for it Some one gets a terrier sent over next thing you know there breeding them and it SHANNON DOOR DOOMSDAY OUT of. ROOTINTOOTIN BARNDOORGIRL lines lol. FOOKING american patterdale my arse

 

stop beating about the bush